Thanks Bill. I have been doing tables, but my max was the same before. I will try your method, but it seems similar to what I have been doing exept for a few parts( which are probably the key) I will see if i can get past 4.30. It seems doing the tables helps me more when I am not diving for a while then go. It seems my bottom time stays in shape more since i have been doing tables. I don't know much about all the tech. I am just a spero who is self taught. so my methods and the methods I use are just habits or what has worked so far, but I cant get past certain barriers with my methods so I need to adopt new ones. Thanks I will let you know how it works out
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