Freznel with mouth open??

[azapa]

Hey guys: this should probably go in the beginners section, but, here it is:

I have spent 3 weeks reading and practicing Freznel, DRY and in a shallow pool. I think I have it because i can "crackle" my ears with all of the following "tests":
- with no stomach movement
- with empty lungs
- with tongue pump
- with a mouthfull of water (proves epiglotis is closed, i read..)
- my adams apple jumps up and down as I do it
- simulating yawns I also get some crackle

So, what is the problem? : I can do "my freznel" with my mouth open, pinching nose and inflating it, or pumping with my throat (addams apple bounces)

I this possible? Or have I been kidding myself all along, and am really doing Valsalva?

Thanks,

[jome]

Hmm, never thought of that, but I tried it and I can do it too (I'm assuming you're talking mouth open without the tongue block).

I guess it is not a pure Frenzel, because your soft palate must be down to be able to do this. I guess the pressure is generated by contracting the throat somehow...

I'd say your technique is probably better than a valsalva, but to be able to utilize the mouth fill you need to learn to control the soft palate too...

[azapa]

Thanks Simo for the reply.

A funny thing: I downloaded your original Freznel document and printed it 2 months ago, read it completely, and almost threw it away! I didn't understand a single thing. I will quote you on a later post that changed things 100% for me:

"lately I've been telling people this:
-Simply sit down, exhale all your air. All of it
-Take a mouthfull of air (don't inhale, just open mouth, close mouth)
-Equalize"

HAHA! It got it in half an hour! The funny thing is now, I have gone back to your original "spec." and love it.

Re-what I am doing, I guess in the mouth open Freznel, is to CLOSE my soft pallet, trapping air in my nasal cavities. If not, where else would it be coming from?

I had tonsils and adenoids removed as a kid, and wonder if I'm not a regular case?

This is getting ridiculously specific now, but a related question: Why in traditional Freznel is so much documentary emphasis placed on having a "neutral soft pallet" The definition of "neutral" is just that, you don't do anything with it to get it to that state. Why then, must I control the soft pallet. Should it not be "don't do anything with the soft pallet"

What am I missing??

Thanks

[Fondueset]

It is possible to close your soft palate - which stops frenzel from working - try it and you'll see. I'm sure that is in there just to point out a possible error.

I agree -Frenzel works fine with your mouth open.