Passive flooding of sinuses

[fpernett]

Many of you will find interesting this paper writed in collaboration with P. Musimu

Flood Sinuses

[trux]

Yes, it was discussed in this thread: http://forums.deeperblue.net/freediv...ng-limits.html

[fpernett]

Thanks Trux, didn´t see it. An advantage of my country is that I have access to full text

[jome]

Indeed interesting. Especially that he can do it dry with a bottle of water and completely passive AND that there's been no noticeable side effects. Also it gives the impression that Patrick did not pack for the 200+ dives. I always assumed he did, I have a vivid memory of a video of him packing, but maybe it was another dive...

Cracking out my neti pot tonight

[efattah]

Musimu did not pack for his 200m+ dives, I watched carefully.

I hope to buy the article in question so I can read it at some point, as both Seb Murat and I have been experimenting with all sorts of sinus techniques.

[naiad]

I don't usually use a nose clip or full mask for pool training, so when training dynamic or just playing around in the deep end, I often end up with sinus flooding and wet equalisation. By now I have got used to it and it doesn't feel too bad. The water does drain out after a while.

[Mr. X]

Originally Posted by naiad

I don't usually use a nose clip or full mask for pool training, so when training dynamic or just playing around in the deep end, I often end up with sinus flooding and wet equalisation. By now I have got used to it and it doesn't feel too bad. The water does drain out after a while.

Perhaps this is a silly question: how do you know your sinuses are flooding? I too swim w/o a nose clip or full mask, it never occurred to me that my sinuses might fill with water.

[jome]

Originally Posted by efattah

Musimu did not pack for his 200m+ dives, I watched carefully.

I hope to buy the article in question so I can read it at some point, as both Seb Murat and I have been experimenting with all sorts of sinus techniques.

Sadly the article does not detail the technique at all. In the apnea conference last fall Patrick said something in the lines of "anyone can learn it, but we think there's a moral conflict with teaching it. But if decide there is not, then I'm thinking of running clinics to teach it". Or something like that...

[SEDATE]

i am not sure but i will tell this:
i like diving flushing sinuses(10m/14m).. it never gives me any pain.. any stress .. but i find out something oneday.. at home i tried a max hold after dive. what is gonna be happen? . i made a very good performance.. without warm up ..i done my best(it was strange)... my idea is the salty water entering sinuses make contact in a section.. and it gives/increases/wakes up something stuck in old brain(i mean medulla section.. this section controls breathing /heartbeating / blood pressure)
i am not doctor but i am sure.. maybe today no one will understand me but one day my teory will be talking.. think that when you get heart crisesis they put aspirine below your toung.. why? because it arives to heart very quickly and make blood thinner . it save your life.... it is something like that.... it is too hard to explain.. i do not suggest anyone ..diving flushing sinuses but at surface bofore diving or warm up i suggest fill 3 or 5 times salty water into your mouth and flush it very slowly from noise.. then wear your mask/noise clip .. you will see you will pass to diving mode very quickly..
we all know very little our body .. sience says many things but no one try to say how a person can beat 10' breathold today.. maybe 10 years later 15' , 20 years later 20' will be possible.
The trick is who knows human body and his own body ..he/she put a very good performance in future.. the secret i belive some info in the sea some in inside us !
Cheers!

[naiad]

Originally Posted by Mr. X

Perhaps this is a silly question: how do you know your sinuses are flooding? I too swim w/o a nose clip or full mask, it never occurred to me that my sinuses might fill with water.

Mostly by the water draining out afterwards, and everything sounds funny if I have equalised in that state.

[Mr. X]

Originally Posted by naiad

Mostly by the water draining out afterwards, and everything sounds funny if I have equalised in that state.

Sounds like I probably experience that from time to time. We often talk about swimming clearing out our sinuses, I was thinking of the chlorine, etc. vapours but sounds like it could be literally cleaning the sinuses out.

[Bill]

If anyone has instructions for this technique, I would like to try it. For over 30 years my depth has been limited by sinus squeeze more than any other factor and sticky sinuses (coupled with stupidity) cost me a near complete loss of what was my best ear. After a long cardio work out I tried to get saline solution in my sinus cavities but only succeeded (in small amounts) by applying pressure which pushed it up/down my eustachian tubes too.