What speargun? C4/Teak/rabitech

[sundown]

Well I have found a distributor who still has some second hand rabitechs. Great guy. I have a choice of a 110 carbon stealth and a 130 carbon stealth. I'll probably go for the 110, unless someone can give me a good reason otherwise. He's converted it to an open muzzle but will also give me the unused original closed muzzle and an extra new handle. The mechs are in essence guaranteed in this sense though he is adamant that everything that is on the gun is in excellent condition. He's rigged it with a Seatec extreme double flopper 6.35mm, 1.5mm shooting line and 19mm band with double loop dyneema. That will cost me 170 Euros. He'll also sell me spare bands for 16 Euros and 7mm Rabitech spears for 20 Euros if I wish. He also suggests a 2mm line if I go for these options.
I'll give him a mail tomorrow but would still like some opinions on the Cayman HF 110(though I've read about this on the forums - seems pretty good), the Seatec Tornado 120 (I posted pics above somewhere) and the Rabitech Stealth Carbon 130.
Cheers for all the advice guys. I'm getting quite hyped about getting a new gun now.
(rabitech pics below)

Spaghetti: Italian ebay is awesome. Very nice for you if you want to try out different brands. Although I imagine all your friends in Italy have quite variety between them...

[armandozx]

You can also consider a Hammerhead gun? or a Beuchat Carbon Elite <--- extremely nice gun I would trade it for my RA In a MILISECOND! ^_^

[sundown]

Ok I know I've twisted and turned with my options but the only thing I'm concerned about now is length/effective range.
The rabi 130 will prob be too long for the moment and I can always get a bluewater gun later.
So, final choice for me:

1) Rabi 110 stealth carbon (CAN I USE 2 BANDS ON THIS??)
2) Seatec Tornado 120
3) Seatec Gabbiano 120 pointed out by SPAGHETTI

They are all about the same price - the rabi prob comes with the most extras though and has that open muzzle...

This will prob be my last post before I buy one. (sorry for the ever changing choices but as I have to buy them online I haven't been able to actually hold one in my hands - otherwise it would prob be easy choice...)

[Marwan]

im not the expert on seatec's, like spago, but i believe they are designed with different species in mind, given that the standard setup (at least for the gabbiano) is a single band 20mm and a thin 6.35 spear, which could be deadly for bass, mullet, bream etc..but im not sure how it would work for groupers jacks etc..
i DO know that you cant go wrong with that rabi 110, in the environment/species you described, i have the same one, carbon stealth110 as well as a carbon apex 120, yes you could use it with up to 2x16mm bands...and that open muzzle is great for twin band use, maybe you need to also consider which one will be easier to find spare stuff for, bands, wishbones, etc...

armando
ive heard mixed reviews on the beuchat, some people who used it say that the gun floats with the spear in it, which isnt good for balance but that was the mundial elite, not sure if the same problem exists with the marlin or not..

[Coral Sniper]

Go for the rabitech, Do you have to get it in carbon? sometimes alu is not that bad in the shorter lengths,it would be cheeper and it would not get messed up as bad if your a little rough with it. Just something to think about...

[armandozx]

Originally Posted by Marwan

armando
ive heard mixed reviews on the beuchat, some people who used it say that the gun floats with the spear in it, which isnt good for balance but that was the mundial elite, not sure if the same problem exists with the marlin or not..

Marwan hey how are you doing? Well didn't this issue happen with the first Rob Allen carbon guns that they where so light that their buoyancy was affected ? I think they fixed it by adding a little lead to the front of the barrel i am not quite sure about that though.I'm pretty sure a trust worthy company like Beuchat would have had fixed that problem by now. Jim from the spearfishing store said that the gun is fantastic just like the rest of the Beuchat gear he sells.

I my self purchased one of the Beuchat Mundial Wetsuits and the Micromax Mask and the quality of the product is A+++. That said, I hope that their gun is as good as the rest of their products. * I hope *

I am also considering this gun but maybe a few years down the line. or the wife will kill me.

[Marwan]

i know what you mean man..my wife always gives me "That Look" whenever a long package arrives in the mail
im a big fan of beuchat by the way, i have one of their reversible wetsuits, its great and all...about their spearguns though, i know they sponsor perdo carbonell, so im sure they are great guns...but i found it strange that the new gus (marlin carbon elite) didnt do too well in the Hawaiian skin diver magazine , field tests..accuracy wise..

[armandozx]

ahahah good 1, but by the time is there it's to late so you're safe! I in the other hand have to ask permission.

Hey man I have the Same Wetsuit, Beuchat Reversible 1.5mm Champion De Monde! Got it from the diveinn store these people rock. So fast on everything I tell you.

As far as does tests go there have been negative comments about them, I personally don't trust them they didn't even spell VECTA right from the RA GUNS.

But then again that could have been a publishing mistake. Unless RA had a gun with a VECTRA HANDLE! but then again Who knows, maybe they supplied them with the very LIGHT CARBON GUNS ! that you mentioned earlier.

All I know is that the gun is fairly new and it has been engineered to perform well and man it's hot lol if you ever own such a gun you probably gonna treat it like your Mr. Carbon! I personally would put them in the same cat .. *mr.carbon a tiny bit higher*

[sundown]

[quote=Marwan;690898]i know what you mean man..my wife always gives me "That Look" whenever a long package arrives in the mail

Bloody hell guys, looks like I'm going to need to get as many guns as I can before I tie the knot...

[Mr. X]

Originally Posted by armandozx

You can also consider a Hammerhead gun? or a Beuchat Carbon Elite <--- extremely nice gun I would trade it for my RA In a MILISECOND! ^_^

What's so great about the Beuchat Carbon Elite? I just took a look at some images on line & it looked good but pretty ordinary to me. We don't hear much about Beuchat gear, although I have Beuchat fins (much cheaper than Italian alternatives) and have been very pleasantly surprised by how good they have been (pity the blades aren't clear). I believe OMD has a Beuchat speargun that he rates highly too (although I think he recently got an 80cm Omer XXV - which sounds like a great bass gun).

Alternatively, what's so bad about your RA?

[armandozx]

Originally Posted by Mr. X

What's so great about the Beuchat Carbon Elite?

Alternatively, what's so bad about your RA?

Hey Mr.X to be completely honest nothing is bad with my RA I actually installed an open muzzle with twin 16mm bands, and to think I thought of selling it. The only thing i hate about my RA is the loading process.

Regarding the Beuchat Marlin Carbone Elite in my eyes it's a work of art. Just like the Mr.Carbon, this gun catches my eyes like no other, I guess it's personal preference when it comes to this. In reality what does a Mr. Carbon do that my RA can't do?

On another note, the Beuchat gun has a similar set up to that of the Omer XXV GOLD.
1- Quick Reload Module with adjustable jaws
2- Open Module
3- Close Module
PS: Now that I received a Beuchat wetsuit & mask I love this brand. I had my eyes on that gun before I purchased my gear though.

[Marwan]

oh my dear Armando..you keep comparing between the mr carbon and the beuchat..of course im naturally biased to my heavy investment in the mr carbon but, in terms of euro spearguns its like this for me:

Mr Carbon














Everything Else

cheers

[armandozx]

Considering the price of it I accept that answer from you or any 1 else. o_0
But seriously you cant count a gun of that caliber out I'm speaking in general.
Your MR. CARBON is more like a trophy gun than an action gun I assume. I would baby that thing like crazy.

[Marwan]

I think every new design will have pros and cons,,all spearguns will shoot fish, just boils down to personal preference in the end as well as trust in the gun..

[spaghetti]

Armando no, the C4 Mr.Carbon is NOT a trophy gun at all. I know many people who use it and they are active spearos catching actual fish with it. They're all enthusiasts not on how it looks, but for the way it shoots and tracks in water. None of them regrets the money they spent. Tracking this gun in water is simply fantastic.
Marwan I think you forgot that the Seatec we're talking about in this discussion is a 120 with double or triple band set. Not for bass and mullets. I'm the proud owner of a Seatec 120 which I rarely use, but those few times it was for leerfish and AJ's which I passed through or stoned with no issues on power or penetration: the gun did what it was supposed to, kill the fish. Praise Lord!
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My handicap in these discussions is that I never tried with my hands any south african railguns (RA's and Rabi's), so I can't compare if not theoretically. You all say they're the NON PLUS ULTRA of power and of course I believe in what you say. But what prevents me from buying one is the IMPRESSION they might be a bit heavy in water. I read many reviews and they were all about "extra thick", "extra heavy", "extra strong" but this is considered a downside rather than a quality in the mediterranean mentality.
Mr. Carbon and Gabbiano are "big" guns, with an important weight and mass, but in water they feel very light and swing very smooth, just like a lightweight gun would do, and this is what makes them special.
But out of prejudice let me ask you: is it true or not that RA and Rabis are heavy and harder to swing than european guns?