Miami Spearin' Contest

[MahiMan]

Originally Posted by pifiu

Andrew Q? Its JP

haha JP!! Whats up dude, small world huh! Been on the water lately?



Steel a weekday would be preferable considering the obvious boat/marina traffic, so I'm go for that plan. Its simply a matter of organization and us not bailing on the plan lol. Im in along with two other spearos.... we'll come up with a worthy team name haha

[CBeast-->]

I think it'd be best to spear either a)upper keys - Islamorad/Key Largo for instance, b)Eliot Key, or c) a bit past Fowey Rocks.......all are good spots, easily accessible, and have good vis.......as for the prize, I'd say the heaviest fish should win.....simple that way......no limit other than bag, so that those who don't win don't aren't also a little down that they didn't spear as many as they could have.....in terms of actually awarding the prize, If I were gonna coordinate it - why not take a poll of all contestants' preferences. That is, give them a choice: mask, suit, gun etc........provided the entry fees cover cost whichever choice comes up most is 1st prize, next to most 2nd etc......also a couple of DB shirts as consolations.....maybe also, prohibit Scuba, or have a separate tourney on the same day......



cheers,
CBeast

[pifiu]

Originally Posted by MahiMan

haha JP!! Whats up dude, small world huh! Been on the water lately?



Steel a weekday would be preferable considering the obvious boat/marina traffic, so I'm go for that plan. Its simply a matter of organization and us not bailing on the plan lol. Im in along with two other spearos.... we'll come up with a worthy team name haha

Yeah, but I'm still a newbie! I've still got a lot to learn.

[settingsteel]

Alright....glad we're back on track....lets get some more input as to the way we can do this.

Beast, one of the things I'd like to monitor is quality and quantity of fish...thats the reason for the 3 limit (or less say 2) and so fourth, I'd also like to perhaps tie this into the "fish of the month" feature I'm going to start soon...part of what I'd like to do is make it ongoing, so to speak, not a one shot deal...and keep it in a set area...with some boundaries...prizes can be awarded per shootout, but a final contest with the accumulated points being applied wins the $$$dinero$$$...

Example:
Fish of the month 10 points
Other fish (we''ll make a list and the fish on that list will all be featured as fish of the month) will be assigned points-
Trigger 1
Hog 1
Blue Runner 1
Mango 2
Lane/School 2
Sheep 2
AJ greater/lesser 3
Cuda 3
Margate 3,
Goat 4
Spanish Mackeral 4
Yellow Jack 5
Dolphin 5
King 6
Cero 6
Cobia 7
Porgy 8
Mojarra 8
Wahoo 9
Gag/Black 9
Mutton 9

Anyother fish to add to the list (which I would also feature in fish of the month) what about distribution of points?

3 off each (unless regs limit in which case reg supercede the established 3/person limit)

Most pounds of fish wins a prize and # of bonus points (say 8), biggest fish wins a prize and certain # of bonus points (say 10) applicable towards the last contest...

Last contest add up all the points and winner takes home the $$$loot$$$....

Whatya guys think, gime some input, Ima gettin

[alejo326]

Sounds goood. Will this be an individual tourny or will there be a team prize? or both? also is will there be a team max?

[CBeast-->]

dude, I see what ur saying but it's a waste of a day if someone catches their limit and can't continue.......also, say a team member snags 3 blacks.....and the other member sees another, but doesnt snag it - he's missing out on the fun.....I dunno, whatever u guys decide is cool.....what about entry fees?

[armandozx]

This really all depends on how the tourney would be held. For example, if in teams then each member should put forth their two best fishes,. If individual then each person should be allowed to weigh in 3 of their best fishes. Of course no illegal fishes and stick to the Florida Spearfishing Fishing Regulations. Bag limits and everything else or disqualification.

All keep in mind you can shoot w.e you want but are limited to a specific # for tourney fishes. Meaning you can enter the tourney and not necessarily go home empty handed? clear enough?

What I would have a problem with would be the prices for a team of spearos who win something. Would it be enough to give them both something? oppose to an individual tourney where you have 1 winner. Consider also 2nd & 3rd place holders!

For Safety Reasons, teams should be highly favored but that's just my opinion

PS: I can be a boat Captain if who ever wants to ride ships in for gas that way those without boats can still feel like they have a chance.

Sorry for late update but you may want to consider only 1 species limit for weigh in. So there is an even odd for every one that doesn't necessarily find two groupers or two huge cudas.

[jtkwest]

FYI: Key West open spearfishing tournament is May 2,3 ,4 if anyone is interested in coming down. i was thinking about chartering a sportfisher for at least one day and try for a dolphin. (lately they have been slaying dolphin out here) i have a buddy who mates for a captain who used to blue water spear,(now just fishes tournaments) but misses spearing and would love to take us to some of his spots,(this guy knows ALL the spots!) for around a grand a day, including tip fits up to 6, but i think 4 is plenty. anybody down for this?Also if anyone wants to come down with a boat, i got Gps #s for lots of good stuff, and i know my way arond down here, so let me know. Also, when are you guys going to do this tournament in miami?i would love to come up there and check it out somtime, maybe when my boat is done(3 weeks)not in time for Key West open...

[armandozx]

Originally Posted by jtkwest

i would love to come up there and check it out somtime, maybe when my boat is done(3 weeks)not in time for Key West open...

Hey man you are more than welcome to come over here & give the tourney handlers a hand with w.e. Weight in, rules, w.e it takes to run the thing correctly and safely. You can even use your boat to take people as long as they ship in if that's ok with you! All I know is that steel would prob appreciate all the help he can get.

I don't really like the whole key west open I hear that you can go pretty far distance wise & use SCUBA, that isn't fair to many spearos who just skindive when they hunt but, then again I am not 100% on the rules for that tournament.

[MahiMan]

I agree with armandozx, teams would prob be ideal

[jtkwest]

Originally Posted by armandozx

Hey man you are more than welcome to come over here & give the tourney handlers a hand with w.e. Weight in, rules, w.e it takes to run the thing correctly and safely. You can even use your boat to take people as long as they ship in if that's ok with you! All I know is that steel would prob appreciate all the help he can get.

I don't really like the whole key west open I hear that you can go pretty far distance wise & use SCUBA, that isn't fair to many spearos who just skindive when they hunt but, then again I am not 100% on the rules for that tournament.

they have a seperate category for sportfish, scuba wont help much there, plus special ,prize for freediver with biggest fish in any class,(last year was a 120 cm euro riffe) also if the timing is right , iwould love to help out weighing or whatever, for your tournament

[settingsteel]

Geez leave you boys alone for a minute...quite a bit of input....MUCH APPRECIATED!!!!!!

Let me digest this stuff and will come back with some input and answers...what do you guys think about the Fish & points any fish left out basically what I tried to do is allot a point amt based on difficulty, population, and tactical strategum (eg BW vs Reef) I did leave out something whoever can chime in with that something and the points that something should be allotted gets the first prize...actually a couple of things...

_______ Pt's ____
_______ Pt's ____

Hiya JKW whats the charter fee...I may be up for a trip over and slay some fish...or maybe KIS and hit it on the Run&Gun

[jtkwest]

Originally Posted by settingsteel

Geez leave you boys alone for a minute...quite a bit of input....MUCH APPRECIATED!!!!!!

Hiya JKW whats the charter fee...I may be up for a trip over and slay some fish...or maybe KIS and hit it on the Run&Gun

one MILLION DOLLARS should cover it. no fee. after the boat is up and running we will talk. i need someone to tech me BW stuff, so i will seek you out when time comes, dont worry.

[settingsteel]

OK gonna try to answer in parts

Will this be an individual tourny or will there be a team prize? or both? also is will there be a team max?

Its going to be an individual team effort... Spearos are paired...don't know if you pick your partner and dive with him or you pull straws from a hat...and your partner gets picked...what do you guys think?

It could also be sorta team but individual in other words 2 compadres pair up, shoot fish and submit their catch however they please, IOW if spearo Geronimo gets a 15# yellow and a 2# mut and his bud spearo Flaming Horse gets a 6# yellow and a 22# mut they can submit the 15# and 22# but it would be submitted as if it was caught by one of the spearo's either Geronimo or Flaming Horse. This is just another perspective gimme some feedback guys.

I see what ur saying but it's a waste of a day if someone catches their limit and can't continue.......also, say a team member snags 3 blacks.....and the other member sees another, but doesnt snag it - he's missing out on the fun

your partially right but look at it from this nook...This contest is to both challenge you and you against others, and if your paired up as a team then the importance of team dynamics plays in, as well as (probably most imp.) set an example to "the others" that frown on killing fish for a freakin contest. Realistically it would be quite challenging to get one species of each of those fish in a day or 2 (another issue that we should address 1 day 1.5 day or 2 days) even more so to get 3 ( as an individual not a team, which would still be difficult none the less)

[settingsteel]

Moving right along

This really all depends on how the tourney would be held. For example, if in teams then each member should put forth their two best fishes,. If individual then each person should be allowed to weigh in 3 of their best fishes. Of course no illegal fishes and stick to the Florida Spearfishing Fishing Regulations. Bag limits and everything else or disqualification.

Pretty good Arman...things be shaping up...the way I'm vibing it is each of the individual contests (lets call them the Mini Contests- subtle color huh) your allowed 3 fish or 2 ( I think one is too little) weez got a list of 21 fish (and counting) so lets say you bag 30 fish total and the whole bounty weighs 189.423467#'s and your total puntos are 180 and your bud Beast he got himself 189 #'s of fish but all his fish tallied 190 points you would win the Mini contest (most pounds of fish) and we would add those points towards the final shootoff...and it just so happens that Mahi (livin up to his name) nailed himself a huge 69# dorado and a total of 223 points so he would get a prize for biggest fish and his points recorded towards the final contest...you guys with me so far?

All keep in mind you can shoot w.e you want but are limited to a specific # for tourney fishes. Meaning you can enter the tourney and not necessarily go home empty handed? clear enough?

I'm open to this but IMO we should stick to the 3 fish limit just to keep it Kosher with the public, as I plan to get (or at least try) some of the MB City officials involved...we might ultimately donate some of the catch to some charitable org....slaughtering a whole bunch of fish never gets swallowed too easy...git mi drift...and as mentioned 3 fish of 21 makes 63 fish...dude thats a bloody mess of pescados

Prizes are the least of our worries we can surely get some local sponsers for the Mini Contest Prizes and I'll talk to Stephan to see what he can do on the DB end of things
Ima thinking we would have 2 or 3 winners
Most pounds of fish
Biggest Fish
Most points
and of course who ever gets all 3 is (finally got to use that smily)

the prizes won't be anything too extravagant, but definitely something to make the winner a happity spearo, and justify the entrance fee...

Which brings us to our next issue DINERO, BENJEEZ, FLOW, SKRILLA, GREENBACKS, PIMP, GUAP, MULA, FEE if we go with the 21 fish Shootoff (actually thinking upping it to 25) then we're looking at 21 contests I say we keep it kosher and steer towards something that ain't gonna whip us something like $20-$50 range...heres some arithmatic...
Lets say we do $20 (hint) we get 15 wannabe thats $300 Cheddars if we do 21 shootoffs thats $6300 ducketts...feel the power of math...go home with ya pockets full of Blings...thats what I'm talking 'bout....AND THE GRAND FINALINA...