CMAS 1st EUROPEAN APNEA CHAMPIONSHIP

[efattah]

"If some athletes, members of federations affiliated with CMAS, take part in events organised by not affiliated bodies,and if the here practised disciplines are THOSE NORMALLY ORGANIZED by CMAS"


Well, since constant weight and all depth disciplines are not organized by CMAS, and not recognized by CMAS, then you are free to compete in an AIDA 'depth only' competition. Does CMAS recognize static apnea and organize static apnea competitions? I don't think so -- then you could compete in both static or depth, just not dynamic.

[chrismar]

It occasionally frightens me just how batshit insane Pierre Dernier and his CMAS buddies really are. I wouldn't trust them with a metal spoon.

Speaking of CMAS, does anyone know what the current records in their two disciplines are? I've searched high and low (including their abysmal website) and can't for the life of me see a ranking list or comp results. Any suggestions?

[Mullins]

I think the Men's DYN record is 200m. Anybody fancy picking up a CMAS record? Walter? Stig? Henning? Peter? Tom? Kerian? Ant? Par? William? Martin? Herbert? Alexei?

The women's one is more respectable at 195m

[Mullins]

I think the Men's WR for DYN@10m (aka jump blue) is around the 150m mark....?

[chrismar]

Originally Posted by Mullins

I think the Men's DYN record is 200m. Anybody fancy picking up a CMAS record? Walter? Stig? Henning? Peter? Tom? Kerian? Ant? Par? William? Martin? Herbert? Alexei?

The women's one is more respectable at 195m

CMAS record? No thanks, you never know where its been!

I've finally found an italian page that I ran through a google translate. Turns out that Michele Tomasi is the WR holder at 194m. Silver was 178 and bronze 176. Fifth place was 143, buggered if I know what happened to fourth. Are you sure you didn't assume Michele was a girl?

For native italians, here's the page.

[Mullins]

There is a youtube video of Michele Tomasi doing a 200m WR, but then you never know what 'world record' means in this sort of context....

[trux]

Originally Posted by Mullins

I think the Men's DYN record is 200m. Anybody fancy picking up a CMAS record? Walter? Stig? Henning? Peter? Tom? Kerian? Ant? Par? William? Martin? Herbert? Alexei?

Why not you, Dave? You seem to be the ideal candidate. You are certainly not a CMAS member (CMAS is not present in your part of the world, to my knowledge) and you can certainly smash all their records without problems easier than anyone else.

[trux]

The results from the championship 2007 including the records are on this page: CMAS - Apnée

195,02 for women (Natalia Babich, Russia) and 194,96 for men (Michele Tomasi, Italy)
And yes, CMAS measures centimeters. The performance of Michele is not marked as record, so am not sure if it is one, or if there was a higher performance on some national competition. In 2006, the record was 184,11m, also by Michele Tomasi.

[trux]

Originally Posted by Mullins

I think the Men's WR for DYN@10m (aka jump blue) is around the 150m mark....?

Well, I can only guess from the championship results, because CMAS does not have any tables with records, but assuming from the results, the ones from 2006 are still valid for Jump Blue:
126.59 m for women by Paola Parenti, Italy
152.95 m for men by Devrim Ulusoy, Turkey

[Mullins]

Why not you, Dave? You seem to be the ideal candidate. You are certainly not a CMAS member (CMAS is not present in your part of the world, to my knowledge) and you can certainly smash all their records without problems easier than anyone else.

Well on one hand I would like to have competed with ALL the freedivers in the world; there appear to be some good athletes in CMAS and it's a real pity we are not all on the same list. Joking aside, 200m with no samba is still a good swim - the youtube video looks cool. But I would see competing in a CMAS competition to be lending legitimacy to their organisation. An organisation that 1. acts like a pack of fascists and 2. is against freediving. Constant Weight with and without fins IS freediving as far as I'm concerned, and I'm not going to give my implicit support to a governing body that would like to see it stopped.

[mgm]

Beside the discussion AIDA vs. CMAS what Du you think about Speed Apnea?

I personally like the idea and will try it in the next trainings sessions :-)

[BennyB]

Originally Posted by mgm

Beside the discussion AIDA vs. CMAS what Du you think about Speed Apnea?

I personally like the idea and will try it in the next trainings sessions :-)

I think I like the idea over short distances (eg max 50m). Any longer and it would introduce a higher level of complexity in safety. It also adds a completely different element to a competition, ie. have the serious bit of static, dynamic etc. then have the fun part of the race at the end. We did something similar in my first comp in Germany and it was great fun. We did a 18*25m baton relay where 3 person teams would do 6 laps per person, passing the baton between each other. Great fun.

It also adds some crossover to finswimming where freedivers that may not have had the chance to finswim can get a taste for it, and vice versa. Can't really hurt too much - a lot of our best freedivers came from finswimming.

Cheers,
Ben

[chrismar]

Originally Posted by mgm

Beside the discussion AIDA vs. CMAS what Du you think about Speed Apnea?

I personally like the idea and will try it in the next trainings sessions :-)

Speed apnea = finswimming. Just an extension on existing disciplines. 50m apnea times are under 15s. That's without a turn and with a dive, so lets say 33s for 100m. Good times should be under 35s.

[spaghetti]

Originally Posted by Mullins

Well on one hand I would like to have competed with ALL the freedivers in the world; there appear to be some good athletes in CMAS and it's a real pity we are not all on the same list. Joking aside, 200m with no samba is still a good swim - the youtube video looks cool.

Very well said. Athletes must respect each other no matter Cmas or Aida
Any freediver has one million reasons to say that Cmas sucks, but it would be extremely unfair to mock other athletes because of their performance.
Good on you Mullins for your respectful words. And you can be sure that Cmas athletes would feel as a great honor to compete with you, even if they do know that you'd win hands down. Sportsmen are sportsmen

[trux]

Yes, very nice words, Dave, and a comprehensible decision that I actually agree with. Although being organized under FFESSM (which is a necessity here in France), I really hate the attitude of CMAS.

On the other hand, as I already wrote above, I know that the respect you have for them is not always shared on their side. I do not know if it is everywhere the same, but as I wrote, I know some high ranking officials, instructors, but also many plain freedivers here, who really do not have any respect for your performances (and the performances of other top ranking AIDA freedivers) and claim they were only achieved thanks to doping and thanks to weaker surface protocol. It is a pity they cannot swallow their pride and shut up, or at least stopping spreading the disinfo among other freedivers, unless they know some facts backing their claims (which they don't).