Emma and Sara's Excellent Freediving Adventures...

[BennyB]

Ogling at women is the one thing that keeps me sane in life. They don't call it being "attractive" for nothing...

Sam - when's the next bikini dive off at Chepstow?

[samdive]

ha ha - flirting in context is one thing

flirting when you are in the middle of a stressful working day and just trying to walk down the street/get a cab/sit in an internet cafe and file a report to the office is quite another....

most of the Egyptian guys never quite grasped the difference....

Ogling - now that's something else entirely! and Sara can't object because from what I heard one of her students had pretty nice pecs that didn't exactly go unnoticed!!

[shoutatthesky]

Go Sara!! Respect!!!!

[Kars]

"most of the Egyptian guys never quite grasped the difference...."

A key observation I think. Timing is important, some say the most important thing.

Well men, you've heard what the lady said, it's time to put on those hard monofins and do some double-time extra laps so we at least have the oppertunity and pleasure of saying: "hey girl what are you gazing at?"

However to enjoy the worship of our hard labour we need to be very clever! Because the laydies are often so subtile and tactfull. Use mirroring objects and irregular behaviour to detect the stares of those 'naughty' girls Than you may experience too the need to defend your bodily domain from the many babes whom seek your intrest!

ROFL!

Kars

[Marwan]

"most of the Egyptian guys never quite grasped the difference...."
so filing a report to the police is actually NOT a sign of acceptance, now im all messed up and confused , first they tell me leo wasnt actually on board the titanic and now this maaan

[adolphin]

Originally Posted by island_sands

Here are some photos...
Ahmed from Kuwait
The Killer's Me (deeperblue)
adolphin (deeperblue)
island_sands

Hmmmmm! .. where is adolphin sara ? .. you don't mean the one trying to rescue Emma (practice drill) .. this is not me is it? ..

[island_sands]

Originally Posted by adolphin

Hmmmmm! .. where is adolphin sara ? .. you don't mean the one trying to rescue Emma (practice drill) .. this is not me is it? ..

i thought you were the one in the black hood with your back to the camera.

[island_sands]

Originally Posted by Kars

What's wrong with a bit of playfull flirting Samanta?

It seems to me that all parties enjoy it and engage in it
Anyone can join or retread from this nice dance. And this tread rocks because it's playfull and light in nature

The flirting and staring is fine... but when someone imposes on you and insists that you dress differently in order not to touch their skin, and does not play the same game and blatantly stares at you (not playing by his own rules...) then it's unfair and quite annoying

Kars you should come and visit, Dubai is fantastic! Emma is going to release an article soon

[adolphin]

Originally Posted by island_sands

i thought you were the one in the black hood with your back to the camera.

.. I had a skin suit that is red on one side with a long john wetsuit on top of it, the wetsuit in the picture looks like one piece, I think it's someone else .. it's amazing to see that all freedivers look the same when we don't look deeply into the details, just like all diving mammals ..

[adolphin]

I am not a fool, so don't believe for a second that I am unaware of a lot of things in this country. I have been living in Islamic countries (Maldives, UAE, Iran, and Muslim areas in South Africa) for over 10 years and I am well aware of the culture. I might be very friendly, smile a lot and laugh a lot, but I am more aware of what is going on around me than is apparent.

I can see sands that you are quit upset, in most cases even if the one of us stays for years in contact with another culture, he/she won't be realy understanding it enough, most of us wouldn't ask too many questions to try to understand the culture, instead we would try to interpret what's going on around us in the same way we learn a foriegn language by listening, although a very effective way for linguistics because we listen and talk as well (two way full interaction) but not effective in understanding a different culture since we don't realy immerse ourselves in that culture like being one. So, you don't want to take advantage of the special offer? you think you already understand dear Sara, no problem ..

The flirting and staring is fine... but when someone imposes on you and insists that you dress differently in order not to touch their skin, and does not play the same game and blatantly stares at you (not playing by his own rules...) then it's unfair and quite annoying

Not playing by his own rules, and double standard is unfair and quite annoying, I agree with you completely.

See you for the next dives .. .. Cheers

[Kars]

Adolphin:

" I can see sands that you are quit upset, in most cases even if the one of us stays for years in contact with another culture, he/she won't be realy understanding it enough, most of us wouldn't ask too many questions to try to understand the culture, instead we would try to interpret what's going on around us in the same way we learn a foriegn language by listening, although a very effective way for linguistics because we listen and talk as well (two way full interaction) but not effective in understanding a different culture since we don't realy immerse ourselves in that culture like being one."

Perhabs it could also be the other way arround. As foreiger to have a different upbringing, it's easyer to see the differences, and upon that start questioning the programming of the foreign culture, the past culture, the contemporairy and perhabs even one's own culture.
Perhabs one discovers that it's difficult being different, being aware, being an individual?

Hypocracy is indeed very anoying and childish, though it's hard not to be one in this utterly corrupted world. What's keeping grown man afraid of finding out where their consumptions are made, and made from? It's a brave man who dares to see past the thin plastic finnish.

Sands, I'm looking forward to Emma's article!
Thanks for al the nice photo's and words.

Kars

[adolphin]

Kars,

As foreiger to have a different upbringing, it's easyer to see the differences, and upon that start questioning the programming of the foreign culture, the past culture, the contemporairy and perhabs even one's own culture.

This is possible too .. the thing is that it's unlikely, you see in theory it would be easier for the foreigner to see the differences, but to understand it, to know why and how exactely and the related matters, this is another thing, I've seen that in the vast majority of the cases even professional reseachers who will spend decades studying a culture will mostly end up mistaking the meanings, come on! even the sons and daughters of the culture sometimes misunderstand their own ..

Regarding Hypocracy, it's tempting and hard to deal with realy, but no excuse for being one, no excuse at all. Men have to be brave to be called men, women too ..

[Kars]

Adolphin, It's true that symbols and rituals have many different layers of understanding and meaning. Never the less it's created and shaped to serve the system. If the culture is not funtional to the system, or becomes obsolete than it will be abolished and replaced, like the native American cultures.

The local practice and custom is what people have to face everyday. The question is, can you tolerate, accept and sacrefice your freedom, to become socially accepted? And do the locals accept you really after you've jumped through all the hoops? Any group under stress, artificial stress or real, is in danger of being easily devided, and just like in business it's 'first in first out'.

As the local culture here is changing I find myself having more trouble facing the new heartles, careless, hollow, corrupt, indifferent attitudes. I find strength when I meet people who sense it too and likewise refuse to sell out.

I see people in the first place as an indiviual, perhabs that's why I find it easy to make contact. I quess I value the individual karakter much more than cultural systems.

I too whish the normal people to have more of a spine, carfully examin the question and consciously make their own choices.
A very important part of what makes us human is choice.

If your intrested in understanding culture creation, I can recomment Alan Watt's work. He has also many audio files where he expains this and much more. Cutting Through the Matrix with Alan Watt - Clearing the rubbish from the road to reality

For the sake of staying on topic I will limit my futer awsers to questions on topic


Sara, any news from Emma's article yet?

[adolphin]

Kars,

If the culture is not funtional to the system, or becomes obsolete than it will be abolished and replaced, like the native American cultures.

This is true, and this is one way on how a culture changes over time, except that the native American culture is a bad example for this factor (change because of being obsolete), because the whole nation was replaced Kars (not an internal change here), vanished to the extremities ! reservations, the life is outside, it's a whole diffirent story my friend, and this is another way of changing a culture, killing and isolating the nation, so there will be no sufficiant numbers nor enough interactions to represent the culture, then if they want to go out of the reservations they have to memic the culture of the killer. There are life examples going on right now in the world, I don't want to go further into this point as I know it's not appealing to many.

As the local culture here is changing I find myself having more trouble facing the new heartles, careless, hollow, corrupt, indifferent attitudes. I find strength when I meet people who sense it too and likewise refuse to sell out.

So are you suggesting that being heartful, careful, meaningful, incorrupted and concerned person is obsolete in your culture for being infunctional qualities ?! ofcourse not!! that proves there are many other reasons that drive people of one culture to change their values and therefore their culture, many of which are not good reasons at all, not genuine, not practical, and needs not to be followed .. .. yes don't sell out, you diserve as well as all humans being, well, being Humans ..

I see people in the first place as an indiviual, perhabs that's why I find it easy to make contact. I quess I value the individual karakter much more than cultural systems.

Indeed, after all there is no such a thing as a "culture" in the outside! it's a logical term that our brilliant minds as human create to discripe the sum of individuals interacting with each others (to be more acurate, it wont be "individuals" which is again a creation of the mind, but rather Kars, Adel, Sara .. etc etc) so yes, generalizing is never the right way of dealing with people, each one of us is a reality that has to be respected and dealt with as such, this is in my opinion is the only right way to -at least- begin with ..

Yes, choice .. and all mechanisms and inherited qualities that make us Humans able to choose. this is the most important thing I agree. This is why it's the most attacked element into our personality by "THEM".

The link is interesting, couldn't read much yet, I'll have to read a lot before I can give an opinion, many people may pose sooo many right points but mix them with wrong ones, and in some cases as you know it rendered the whole mixture as wrong .. no my friend I didn't give my opinion right now, not yet ..

Sorry for my poor english, I know there are terms much more meaningful to be used here to deliver the meaning .. and yes let's go back to the subject, Sara has so many lovely things to show about the extraordinery experience that we went through this winter, it's a good chance for me to thank her for arranging those freediving courses in Dubai,in a very professional way, and letting us after all hold our breaths as she promised .. .. thanks Sara ..

[Kars]

Emma's article is beautifull, gives a nice overview of the Dubai setting and (euh) 'local' culture. Looks like Dubai becomes the next New York.

I'm happy ro read that you both had a bussy and good time being two beautiful ambasedeurs for freediving.

Mercy!

Kars