Static PB's

[Morg]

Originally Posted by Mr_[LEFT

Miyagi[/left]]I'm really amazed how these tables work. Lungfish said to me that I'm already going to see the difference after the first phase and at first it was quite hard to belive (I mean c'mon, what can you do with one week if you do 2 exercises per week?).
But today, when I was doing my second week O2 table... woah. Last week I almost blacked out when I tried to hold my breath for 2:15 - today I held it for 2:30 EASILY, could've hold even longer.

Thanks fellas You're great help.

Yes Lungfish is very helpful . He has been a great resource and help in my training.

Just to note that your increase in time might not have been from the O2 or CO2 Tables. As others have stated its very much your mental ability. When I was doing my static PB I didn't use any o2 tables or CO2 tables for training and I reached 3:45 seconds.

I am working on my tables now to increase my time. I am also amazed at how much they can improve your times. I felt as if I had reached my max at 3:45. I will be reaching this time soon enough when I continue with my tables. Also Akoni has been a great help as well... those 2 are very helpful in helping beginners out

[tylerz]

Just for the record, I have never done tables. In 6 months I went from 4 minutes to over 8 minutes and that was with only sporatic training, if you can call it training.

I am not saying CO2 tables are not worthy or do not have an effect.

I will say it is possible that CO2 tables have no more of an effect than just doing some near max statics 3 times a week. I do not believe there has been any documented evidence that tables help more so than a max static attempt or max duration empty lung attempt. Anybody heard of any?

So far, CO2 tables are only a suggested theory of what may be effective. Everybody probably could say they are more helpful than not doing any breathholding, but in terms of effectiveness, they may not present any gain over other simple forms of breathholding and practicing.

Cheers,

Tyler

[jome]

My experience is similar to Tyler's. Never actually done any tables, just maximum statics basically. And sometimes different things, but always max effort. For example series of FRC statics, no warmup statics etc.

During the fastest development phase I did train regularily. But even now, with very unregular training, I seem to make improvements.

I believe the tables work, because quite simply you get used to doing statics by doing them. If you work the tables, you improve all areas of it...Relaxation, concentration, warmup routines. Sure there is most likely some physiological adaptation as well, but it's not the whole truth.

In defense of tables, they are a great tool for beginners to start regular training and develop. It gives structure and effort and concrete goals to concentrate on. But once you reach a certain level (and with individual variation I would say that is the 4-5 minute level) you will propably benefit more from semi-regular max static type of training. With all that structure and goals comes the danger of getting stuck on the regularity of it. You condition your self to do the tables, not actual statics. So at some point, you have to "break free" so to speak if you want to progress...

But, that's just my view of it, I wouldn't be surprised if there is or will be someone who reaches 8 minute statics with just doing tables...

[naiad]

Originally Posted by jome

I wouldn't be surprised if there is or will be someone who reaches 8 minute statics with just doing tables...

I'll try...

I find tables useful because it is less of a physical strain for me to do CO2 and O2 tables than max statics, so I can do them more often. This is what I am doing now, but maybe soon I will find that I have exhausted the potential of tables, and move onto max statics.

Lucia

[sheepeck]

Hi everybody.

I´m on training from October = by my own, without any course taken but I do plan to take a part in one during summer. I want to prepare for my Hawaii trip. :-)
My trainings contains pool diving and dry static. Plus some gym work outs.
I mostly train twice a week - on bus - spending long time commuting, so enjoy the ride while holding a breath. Last time I used the bus driver's digital watch above his head - it has just minute counter so I went like - 2 minutes breathing, 3 minutes holding. It was about 200km ride so I did it for 1.5 hour. The ride was never so fast before. :-D
And my dry statics are mostly done in bed - just after waking up - I feel very relaxed so I already got above 6 minutes few times - PB is 6:15
While doing the static during a daytime - I usually get to 4 - 5 minutes level.
:-)

Thank you all for contributing

Petr

[Tbird]

Hi this is slightly off topic but I was wondering if anyone has ever found that intensive static training helps constant weight.

I found last year that the tables did not in the least help me, certainly not as much as working on equalisation techniques, or getting the weights just right etc.

However, I can see that statics are a great way of developing a tolerance to hypoxia which could help the final stages of a max CW dive.

Anyone found this to be true?

Theo.

[naiad]

I don't know about CW (haven't done it ) but for me, static training doesn't help much with dynamic. It is good for hypoxia tolerance, but there are many other factors involved, such as physical fitness, technique, weights and for CW, equalisation.

I only improve in dynamic if I do dynamic training and general fitness training.

Lucia

[Fabio Toyama]

Hello Lucia, are you still diving in that club?

Fabio Toyama

[naiad]

Hi Fabio, haven't seen you for ages! I am not going to the Kentish Town club, the pool closed down and I think they now train in Swiss Cottage. I still go to the Richmond club in South London.

[Semi]

hello im pretty new to deeperblue and im glad that i found freediver paradise like this with so much information (im little bit overhelmed hehe). First I would like to thanks everyone for sharing expiriences and informations !

1month of not so intensive training after 3day freediving course on Koh Tao:

On Koh Tao with my first wet breathold I managed to pass 4:50 and I gave up after 2 contractions (It was something new for me at that time)

Yesterday I set my new PB on dry static which is atm 5:48 (counted 61contractions first arround 3rd minute).

Both breatholds without packing (trying to learn how hold breath properly first and with hyperventilation.

BTW about packing its better to train without packing and leave this technique just for PB and record attempts? Or should you train it every training session?

BTW2 finally moved to new appartement and hopefully will have more time for yoga and practices so watchout sooner or later ill break 6.. 7.. 8

[sheepeck]

Great times indeed.
I only wish I could

[LachlanWA]

Monica and Eusebio will be so proud! I intend to go back to Koh Tao soon.

[constantine]

Originally Posted by LachlanWA

Monica and Eusebio will be so proud! I intend to go back to Koh Tao soon.

i want to travel also to them but the thing is....-> my money is not enough and i have no time(tomorrow start my education....)
But it always great to hear that people who were there gave a positiv feetback...
@lachlanWA: Do you know if there is a cobbled way about the little mountain to mango bay?Have they built more streets on the "centre" of koh tao?
best regards,
andi

[Semi]

Originally Posted by constantine

i want to travel also to them but the thing is....-> my money is not enough and i have no time(tomorrow start my education....)
But it always great to hear that people who were there gave a positiv feetback...
@lachlanWA: Do you know if there is a cobbled way about the little mountain to mango bay?Have they built more streets on the "centre" of koh tao?
best regards,
andi

Nah roads to centre of Koh Tao are still rough.. Ive tried to get there with bike and ended in hole next to the road.. 3000Baht damage on bike, some bruises and my girl friend burned her leg on exhaust pipe ... Anyway we travelled arround all thailand islands on east and west.. Still Koh Tao and Koh Phi Phi are my favourites (we were there in rain off season so not so many tourists there). Monica and Euse are indeed great instructors and very friendly people wish.. I could have stayed there more They have webpage on Apnea Total

[Goran Colak]

Interesting vote above... over 540 people will win medal in Maribor static WCh competition this year... Seriosly 542 over 7min?? I don't buy it....