Beyond 6:30 in static apnea

[cebaztian]

GENETICS
Peter Lindholm Sweden checked the DD genes on some hawaii world cup athletes. I was asked but declined - I dont want to know about my genetics - I am born with what I am born and I will make the best of it.
(I have heard that DNA takes about 50.000 years to change.)

ERIC F wrote "the times I have won, I did so because I was inventive and came up with different methods."
Darwin would have loved to study you!! :-) Your the one that survives. (got any offspring yet?)

HEARTBEAT
I wake up in the morning with 56 in pulse (more or less) (lying down). Once I spent 12 days at an intensive YOGA course - the last three days I WALKED AROUND with a pulse of 45.

When holding my breath my heart rate more often bottoms out at 42 (time to stop usually).

Did a lovely 6.16 last night (maybe my best (not longest) breathhold ever) - I stoped while in control (since I am feed up beeing DQ in static). Part of the reason for it to work so well was a 1 hour nap right before (actually I did a YOGANIDRA programme (voiceled meditation) but I fell asleep :-)

I believe sleep is essential for breathholding, lots of it.

Sebastian/Sweden

http://www.webvideo.nu/freediving/sv...hosewords.html

[tylerz]

Sounds like you are onto some things. I feel an increase coming for you!

Regarding sleep, it is funny I was just writing yesterday how I have had inconsistent sleep through the last while of getting my best statics (well actually I almost always have inconsistent sleep). However, I did most the statics while being quite tired/sleepy. That being said I do get enough sleep I believe (or at least almost). Usually 8-9 hours of sleep, sometimes 10.

Cheers,

Tyler

[derelictp]

Interesting Tyler;

One of my buddies did one of his longest statics when he had not sleep enough and he said he was almost asleep during the breathhold. (The breathhold was somewhere near 7min)

[pat fish]

Tyler,
sorry for the misinterpretation, i got your point now ("why suggest there is unknown genetic advantages?" There is no positive value to this until we can actually work on the possibility of an actual genetic advantage to an end understanding...) in that sense i agree with you.

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by the way- some freedivers of the group i am training in show this particular characteristic of doing better static times in states of tiredness. i assume beeing a yogi and having the adequate relaxation technique would have the very same effect...

yours pat

[cebaztian]

Well didnt seem to get much support for my sleep strategy. Nevertheless - today I am going to take the same nap and then go down and do a PB in DYN.

I will add a nice grapefruit aswell into my preparation scheme (work so well last monday (6.16).

Sebastian/ Sweden

[cebaztian]

Oh another thing - beeing sleepy might be good for static. Becasue it helps pople relax - but if one CAN relax - I still believe that having lots of sleep behind you is better. I think the nervoussystem needs to be fully rested.

Beeing a bit sleepy and dead tired might be two separate things.

Sebastian

[xsaul]

I've heard of people falling asleep setting records in competition!!!
No experience there....
Water Rat, who believes in being RELAXED, and WELL-RESTED.

[efattah]

I believe that getting enough sleep, and being sleepy, are beneficial at the same time.

In other words, get tons of sleep the night in the days leading up to the static (so you are well rested), and then stay up long enough to get sleepy for the static. This is much different from being sleep deprived for days, which I think is harmful.

Being sleepy probably improves statics, because when you are sleepy your brain GABA levels increase, and your brainwave frequency decreases, both of which dramatically reduce the O2 consumption of your brain. Since your brain consumes more than 30% of your O2, any savings in that area will help.

Meditation can also increase GABA and decrease brainwave frequency, so it should have a similar effect to being sleepy.


Eric Fattah
BC, Canada

[pat fish]

thank you for that comment eric -

i assume that the benefit from the decreased 02 consumption in a sleepy state does not only leads to a decreased central nervous systems metabolism (lower neuronal activity, lower gaba levels) but also to an induced lower tonus and lower rate of metabolism in skeletal muscles.

yours pat

[DeepThought]

Originally posted by efattah
I believe that getting enough sleep, and being sleepy, are beneficial at the same time.

get tons of sleep the night in the days leading up to the static (so you are well rested), and then stay up long enough to get sleepy for the static. This is much different from being sleep deprived for days, which I think is harmful.

Could work wonderfull with many people, but for me I must disagree. when missing sleep, I feel that my brain actually accelerates. I feel that I think faster, but get lesser quality output (sometimes) from that. And that I have less concetration, and I'll have hard time falling asleep after that. I guess that my brain/body are doing what they can to cover the sleep deprevation. The only time of day I can be sure to be sleepy is when I wake up (I do have troubles falling asleep usally). but I guess that most people belong to the more fortunet group.

But I think that getting alot of sleep in the days before static competition is defenitly the way. it means that you have more time during that period in which your metabolism is lower (I assume the metabolisem deccelerates while sleeping, I'll be happy to get confirmation of that), therefore probably makes you have an overall lower metabolism.

Say what is this GABA you're speaking off? somekind of neurotransmitter? hormone?

[dallasdiver]

GABA is a natural calming and anti-epileptic agent in the brain that is manufactured from the amino acid glutamine and glucose

Studies have shown GABA to improve sleep cycles leading to more restful sleeping. In addition to it's positive effect on the nervous system, medical studies have also proven GABA to be effective for insomnia

I also have a lot of trouble sleeping and getting to sleep. Wake very frequently. Some is do to stress, many time when I wake my mind starts racing with thoughts about work, thing I need to do, etc. I have tried a Meletonin supplement that occurs naturally in the body that controls wakefullness and sleepyness, but it really gave me weird dreams.

[DeepThought]

10x. Do you have any clues as to how can one naturally increase those GABA levels in the brain?

As for me, I don't think it's from pressure or strain. It just has been like that since I was an infant, and haven't changed much.
And I rather not mess with drugs before I try simpler things, like sort my life and try to live on notmal people's schedual... which I intend soon.

On freediving periods I have much less trouble falling a sleep.

[dallasdiver]

Some other info on GABA

Supplemental intake of GABA was shown to produce a significant elevation of plasma growth-hormone levels and prolactin in one human study.

More blood= more 02

[dallasdiver]

Laminar
As regards getting your blood more alkaline, I can see why you wouldn't want to eat beef (hard to digest) prior to training for a static PB. When you say that you eat fruits and vegatables to get more alkaline, do avoid all types of proteins?(fish, vegatable protein, etc.
Brief discription of diet, please.

[DeepThought]

That's cool, though I never understood why plasma gain should be consdiered as O2 gain.
Doesn't that mean that your blood is just thinner? hemoglobin is the thing that carries O2 after all... same amount of red blood cells on a larger volume doesn't seem significant to me regarding to o2 storage.
explenations?

So nobody has ideas as to how to make your body produce more GABA naturally, 'ey?