Static with no warm-up

[ADR]

I don't know how you guys are getting those times!!

My latest no warm up no breathe up effort was :
3:01 (@ 1:01, 121 contractions in 2:00)

I bought one of those thumb wheel counters today to make counting easier.

...boy does my body seem to like doing contractions even if my head hates them.

I'm going to give dynamic a go with this approach tonight......

Andy

[O'Boy]

Hey,

machine is still working...

6'15" (@1'46", 55 contractions in 4'29")

It's a bit harder work now, to get such time. My contractions rate is still somewhat higher then it was. Interestingly, while recovering from this hold I got 2 more contractions. It's very funny feeling to get contractions even when breathing.

ADR, keep trying. My first hold with this method was 3'19" (@1'44", 15x).
Maybe you should do more holds (3-4), not just one. It surely is not enough of a stimulus for your body. Then, when you will be able to reach near your PB in the first hold, you won't need more holds.

[kingohyes]

Im using this approach on the dynamics. How long should I rest in between each max dynamic?
And how many repetitions would be ideal?

Any ideas??

kingohyes

[O'Boy]

This approach requires max effort. That means just one max dynamic. If I could not reach good performance in my first try, I would rest about 10 minutes and then try again.
I think, more important in dynamic is technique and interval training.

So my dynamic training looks like this:
- 1 max dynamic (2 or 3, if you can't reach near your PB)
- working on proper technique
- interval training

[kingohyes]

So when you are doing interval training, are you shortening the rest between each dynamic? And how many percent of max are you doing?

[O'Boy]

I'm concentrating on anaerobic work. That means "teaching" my muscles to work under special conditions with less O2 supply and higher accumulation of lactate.

I do fast sprints - 5 x 50m with longer rests.
somewhat slower - 10x50m (16x50m ) with shorter rests.

I'm not using dynamic as a medium for apnea training. I believe, static and apnea walking will make the work.

[kingohyes]

So, using this method in dynamic.. How long will it take for the CO2 rate to become normal.. Is it bad to do dynamics when you have a high rate of CO2 (i.e in interval training)?

Sorry for my ignorance


Kingohyes

[efattah]

O'boy,

Congratulations on another pb -- you have become, to my knowledge, only the 2nd person to ever get contractions after starting to breathe -- Martin Stepanek got that on his 8'06" world record, and he had to explain to the judges that it wasn't a diaphragmatic samba.

I wish you had an etCO2 monitor so we could see your final lung CO2 level.

[derelictp]

Hi

After a long brake (a bad cold) I did an attempt today. I did 10min of sub neutral breathing (= for me slight overventilation). No warmup.

Contractions from 2'12'', I managed 67 contractions before I quit at 5'01'', a new "contraction pb" in both time and number. The contractions was not so ugly but I felt hypoxic and I had a strange taste in my mouth in the end .

[efattah]

Let me guess, you had a 'metallic' taste, i.e. the taste of metal....

[donmoore]

Why is there so much interest in counting the contractions in this no-warm up method?
don

[derelictp]

Eric:
Yes, I think it was a metallic taste.

Do you know what this is?

Donmoore:
For me it's a way of motivate myself to go on

[DeepThought]

I don't know Don.
I'll stop counting them when it'll be too much of a bother.

On the other hand, I did my first "no warm-up" today.

Method:
I put 2 songs on my playlist, the first one was 8:50~ long, in which I just laid down and breathed naturally - excluding one max inhale+some packing relatively at the begning of the song, to stretch myself.
When the second song started I exhaled, inhaled and went for it - no packing in static for me yet, thankyou.

Result:
3:08 with 50 contractions (which is relatively alot in statics for me) starting at 1:10~ (later checked by the part of the song).

Introspection:
It felt quite different - the most different and unexpected thing is that straight at the beginning I felt this feeling in my head that I normally get at the late part of the fight phase which I relate to increased blood pressure in the head. I stoped noticing it before the contractions came, not sure if it disapeared.
I had much harder time keeping my air in at the beginning, I think fighting with it might even cause my contractions to apear early.
On the other hand, I felt like they started much earlier than the time I concluded for them, something in the sorts of 30secs.
They started at a rate of 1 every 4 seconds or so and speeded up to about one per socond, or even a bit faster.
I'm pleased with getting to 3mins that way, the static felt much shorter.
Hopfully I'll make myself repeat this.
Even if I could do only 4 mins in that way, I'de be pleased.

* Except a 6 floors-up sprint a few days ago I haven't done any apnea traning in months now.

[watts]

Over the last few weeks ive been applying this no warm up to my dynamics .
I have recently switched from bi fins to a mono so my dynamic sessions have changed drasticaly.
My previous PB was 126m which i did before christmas . On my first attempt at no warm up i got 75m next attempt 80 and last night did 100 m .
Im finding this approach quite stressful not having the big breathup and the first 25 is not nice but after that im staying alot more clear headed during and after the dynamic . We are also staying dry and warm right up until we are ready to go then getting in packing then go .I feel by diving this way you stay more intune with your body and know if you are nearing your limits. On thursday we will do some dry statics on ADR s pulse oximeter so will keep you posted.
Later Nathan

[ADR]

We all had a good dynamic session last night. I did my first wet dynamic with no breatheup and no warm ups and equalled my PB of 100m on the first try....very happy camper with plenty in reserve!! I'm more convinced than ever that this approach will work for me and there sure is something nice about turning up at the pool, having a chat with friends while doing some stretching and then getting in and doing a PB on the first swim of the night.