Static with no warm-up

[Kiwi GEE]

Really jealous there on how late you get your contractions!

I'm flying to Auckland (the comp city) for a course (work related), so hoping to join in a static session. There's heaps of free time for dry work in the hotel.

Bet that gives you heaps of confidence, nice times there, due to the lack of training I always worry about going backwards with statics.I get all squirmy and move around ,so have to have someone talking me into staying down, makes a huge difference. generally squeeze an extra 20-30 seconds out of me.



Thanks , the last comp was great.

[naiad]

I was worried about going backwards with statics due to lack of training. It does sometimes take a few weeks to get back to max times, but there is surprisingly little loss of performance.

[Kiwi GEE]

I had a hard job trying out some no warm-up dry static practice.
Mostly contractions as early as 40 seconds....

Really wasn't brave enough to try that with a 3:30 announcement
Without more work. I did do a very light warm-up , 2 super easy breathholds
then my max effort for the main comp dive.

I was really impressed with making 4:17. As my warm-ups generally have to be really forced and hard to get my mind stronger for the main dive.
Didn't expect to get that high without that. So I've already had a good result
then without a super hard warm-up., but not yet a true no-warm-up.

[wjohnson100]

Hi to all. I have been working on no-warmup holds since the middle of April, 2007. Initially the holds were very uncomfortable. My personal best at the time was a very very difficult 6:30, and then only once at the end of a training table. During the time I have been doing this, my previous personal best of 6:30 (after 7 warmup holds) has been exceeded many times, with a new personal best of 6:52 and a best no-warmup hold of 6:35. Comfort level has improved drastically and as a side benefit, my contractions have been coming later and later. This morning I did a no-contraction hold of 6:00 on the first hold of the day with no hypoxic symptoms. I am hoping that this track will eventually leverage my holds past the 7:00 mark. For those of you just starting this training method, I know it will be very uncomfortable at first, but as your breathe up matures and with continued effort, I think you can achieve comfort levels and hold times that you only dreamed of previously. In previous posts, I have outlined what I believe are the benefits of ditching warmup holds. Today I am adding to this list "delayed contractions". I am not sure how far this will ultimately take me, but for now, I am learning alot. Good luck to all.

Walt

[constantine]

Originally Posted by wjohnson100

Hi to all. I have been working on no-warmup holds since the middle of April, 2007. Initially the holds were very uncomfortable. My personal best at the time was a very very difficult 6:30, and then only once at the end of a training table. During the time I have been doing this, my previous personal best of 6:30 (after 7 warmup holds) has been exceeded many times, with a new personal best of 6:52 and a best no-warmup hold of 6:35. Comfort level has improved drastically and as a side benefit, my contractions have been coming later and later. This morning I did a no-contraction hold of 6:00 on the first hold of the day with no hypoxic symptoms. I am hoping that this track will eventually leverage my holds past the 7:00 mark. For those of you just starting this training method, I know it will be very uncomfortable at first, but as your breathe up matures and with continued effort, I think you can achieve comfort levels and hold times that you only dreamed of previously. In previous posts, I have outlined what I believe are the benefits of ditching warmup holds. Today I am adding to this list "delayed contractions". I am not sure how far this will ultimately take me, but for now, I am learning alot. Good luck to all.

Walt

hi walt! great to hear that this method work so well...!
what is your normal breath up for your "no warm-up" statics?
andi

[wjohnson100]

Regarding breathe ups. I think that mostly you have to experiment to see what works for you. And it is also dependent on what kind of feeling you like at the beginning of a hold. Right now I am doing 40 minutes of in 2 seconds, hold 4 seconds, out 2 seconds, no packs or purge breaths, final exhale, then inhale and hold. As an example, this morning that got me to an easy, no contraction, 6:01 hold. My current training goal is to get used to this so it all becomes automatic, and then push to 7:00 or higher from there. I figure I can go at least 1:30 to 2:00 past when contractions start under normal circumstances, so conservatively I think I can get at least a minute more without much difficulty. Stay tuned. Right now my difficulty is in switching focus from delaying contractions to extending the hold. The good news is that I am getting no hypoxic symptoms at 6:00 and have gone as far as 6:08 without contractions. It will be interesting to see if that inproves efficiency at all. Also regarding breathe ups. My breathe up has morphed alot in the last 4 months. If I had tried this breathe up 4 months ago I would probably have passed out. This particular breathe up is geared to fit in the 45 minutes prior to a hold in competition and may be too long to be practical in a real world situation. On the other hand, it is very easy, repeatable, relaxing, and stress free. One thing for sure, there is no magic bullet that I know of in the way of breathe ups, but your breathe up is the key to a long hold especially when ditching warmup holds.

[constantine]

you don´t pack... ?
... ok my statics are a little smaller 5.15 min so.... (i don´t train it much ) but when i did my 5.15 i have contractions at 1.30 !! (like O-Boy)
perhaps it is my breath up ... 10 min chill ( normal breathing) pack streching and then 2-3 min after that go...
after that static i was extreme tired for that day.. --> one day rest
herbert had also so late contractions... on his attempt or?
at 6.41min??? his first c.?!?
perhaps i try it at the next time with your "40min breath up" but i feel always hyperventilated when i do 2-3 full inhale breaths...so i change the "in 2sek " in "in 4sek" or something...

[picasso]

Hi Constantine, have you tried "40min breath up"? What was the result. My current PB is 5:56 and have also contractions at about 1:30-45. I should maybe get used to early contractions. Do you think that delaying contractions is efective? Please let us know the result of your plan...

[TampaBrian]

is anyone still working on training with no breath up? Its been forever since any of you have posted? Is it worth doing, or no?

[chrismar]

A few of us here in Wellington do no warmup statics. It seems that it's very successful if you put in the work for CO2 tolerance.

[TampaBrian]

Thats great, i was suprised that the discussion just died out. As for co2 training, what would you suggest, some hard tables like 1 minute holds with only a one breath rest then repeated? Is there an ongoing forum that talks about this?

[chrismar]

Yes, pretty much exactly that. 10 repeats at a given time; one minute is a good starting point.

[TampaBrian]

Thank you very much, I appreciate it.

[picasso]

Hi. Here in Czech Republic, Prague one guy (potapnik) do it also without warm-up with times around 6:30. IMHO good results . I am also starting with this.