Frenzel technique , I find it hard in Step #7 !!!!!

[jome]

Oops, I now fixed that link...

[aquatic ape]

Great thread, after reading Eric's doc and your suggestions on the ng, I can do the Frenzel technique. The funny thing is that I am not conscience of how I am putting it all together. So far I have done it dry and doing dynamics at 10 feet. It definitly takes less enegy. I noticed that when practicing dynamics in the pool that equalizing with the valvalsa burned some o2. Even when using the frenzel tech the mental conceatration seems to tap more o2. I am sure that when it becomes second nature it will take allhost no enegy and I can equalize relaxed.

[jome]

Just noticed something today.

Learing to control the etubes with the "humming method" is easier if you wear a nose clip. At least for me.

In fact, I noticed this after surfacing and realizing after a while that I could hear my breathing booming in my ears. I noticed that by applying very subtle pressure to you nose while breathing (yes, you have to have soft palate open but breath through your mouth) helps tremendously in opening the etubes.

Just one more tip to help you get started if you're stuck...

[kpk]

Jome

I don't understand how can you blow subtle pressure to you nose while breathing but the nose clip is a very good tip , because opening etubes while breathing is a totaly different thing than opening etubes while you keep your breath , like you are diving.
I guess my problem is that I have very tight etubes. I can do Frenzel but my ears don't open. I can't hear the "pop" sound. I can voluntary open my etubes by moving my ears and my jaw together. The "hmmmm" tip is "all the money". The problem is that I can't move the tongue upwards doing Frenzel and simultaneously move my ears and my jaw to open my tubes. It is very difficult. I guess it is the only way , for me , to equalize.
How do you use the etubes opening. Do you open the etubes , every time you are doing the Frenzel technique or just for one time in the begining of your dive.
Well , I 'm quite pissed off. I 've tried hard to learn Frenzel , I've tried hard to learn opening the etubes but I think that I have to put all together to work. Do you have any idea?

By the way , the etubes opening in the water , while you are diving , supposed to be enough for equalization. That's what you are doing when you use the BTV method for equalization. You keep your etubes open. Am I right?