Apnea Diet

[Absolute]

Interesting, I'll check it out.

[efattah]

I tried octacosanol a long time ago (big surprise). It is also found in spinach. I had some good performances at the time, but I was unable to isolate the real source of the performances. Possibly worth more experimentation. I used the 8mg octacosanol from Twinlab.

[watts]

Thanks Eric i might give it a go. Any side effects? And was that 8mg/day?

Cheers Nathan Watts

[efattah]

I think I was taking 4 x 8000mcg capsules per day. I have heard that a FAR greater dose may be necessary though.

[DeepThought]

How about Hydrogen Sulfide? It's been known to take part in hibernation in some organisms...

[Absolute]

Cirtic acid, is and acid, not a base. Therefore it cannot raise the ph of the blood. It lowers it. Initally.

But what all acids have lots of are positive hydrogen ions. H+

So now we have blood with a lower than normal ph because we just ate 5 lemons, and have normal levels of co2. This outweights what bicarbonate level is already available making the blood acidic. 7.2

Here's the trick, just before your breath hold, you hyperventalate a bit. This lowers the co2 level to slightly below normal levels. Slightly being the key word. Blood ph is now normal 7.4.

As you are in static, o2 is used and co2 is produced and disolved into the blood. (Here is were the critic acid comes in) The H+ ions from the acid bond to the disolved co2 making HCO3 or bicarbonate.

Ideally, bicarbonate is formed at a rate simular to the build up of co2, keeping the blood ph as close to normal as possible.

Until at one point, you run out of H+ ions or the increacing co2 outweights the rate bicarbonate can be formed changing the blood back to and acidic state. Which you endure for as long as you can, until finally you breathe.

So that is how citric acid produces a base, bicarbonate.

[DeepThought]

So that implies that many different acids can produce that effect?

Thing is that acid is being nuetralized already when leaving the stomach to the gut, you're saying it still defuses to the blood as citric acid?

[Absolute]

It is the positive hydrogen ions that are in the acid that you want. All acids have them, citric acid is more palatable that others.

So after the acid is digested, couple of hours, and your body has absorbed the H+ ions then I guess it would be ok to vomit up the stomach acid to increase bicarbonate levels and normalize the blood ph, rather than trying to hyperventalate and remove co2. Your decision.

That is probably what that guy is trying to doing here.
http://gallery.deeperblue.net/showph...o/2699/cat/558

All in the love of competition.

J

[naiad]

Originally Posted by Absolute

So after the acid is digested, couple of hours, and your body has absorbed the H+ ions then I guess it would be ok to vomit up the stomach acid to increase bicarbonate levels and normalize the blood ph, rather than trying to hyperventalate and remove co2. Your decision.

I think I'll stick to hyperventilation.

[jome]

Believe or not I did try the citric acid thing and vomiting was not far from the picture My theeth were not too happy either.

In my static, I felt absolutely no difference what so ever. Someone somewhere must be laughing at his keyboard right now (haha, made you drink pure citric acid)...Of course one trial tells nothing, but for some reason I'm a bit reluctant to make a series of trials...

If there is any real effect, it is at least very subtle...So don't ditch training in favor of an acid diet just yet.

[Absolute]

I looked at the vitamin store yesterday and they had hydrocitricacid? Is this what you took? If so how much?
Just interested, and don't worry I'm not laughing.

[jome]

I got it from a phramasist, it just says "citirc acid" (in finnish), don't know more than that...

I took roughly 10g, didn't really measure, but about a tenth of the 100g bag. I mixed it with a class of water and just downed it in a few quick swallows.

I can down pretty much anything, but it made me seriously gag The aftertaste stays long and you teeth feel funny for the rest of the day...Propably not something your dentist will recommend any time soon...

[Absolute]

Depends on if the dentist needs money or not.

The stuff I was looking at was acutally for curbing the appetite, so I can see why you were gaging.

I'll still try it out though, mabey in smaller doses at first to get the body used to it. Well see.

[naiad]

There are some brave people on Deeperblue!

[ADR]

10grms of citric acid powder with a very weak powerade mix is much easier to drink than in plain water. I'm currrently drinking a fair bit of it (daily) to see if I can modify body pH as I'm quite acidic. (No recognised science here)

Strange how citric acid is tough to drink but OK once it's down whereas bicarb and water is easy to drink but pretty tough on the digestion after that.