Muscle mass

[foxfish]

Originally Posted by Johnny1973

I am a recreational weightlifter, but when I was building mass it was pretty intense. But the real results came when I started eating right (A LOT!!!).
Cheers, mate! (where are Channel Islands, down under maybe?)

That is interesting, I am now 47 & haven't really weight trained for 15 years. In my time diet & nutrition was not the precised science it is now, basically we existed on a 20% protein 70% carbs & 10% fat diet. When I could afford supplements we would drink high carb powder mixed with full cream milk. This diet worked to a certain extent but we never looked really "cut". I still have an interest in nutrition & keep in contact with my previous training partners. The guys now eat a very different diet based mainly on high protein consumption. I also eat a much higher protein diet now myself & feel pretty good doing so.
I live in Guernsey a small Island situated between England & France.

[Mr. X]

A man of many talents Foxfish! I used to train a lot for climbing and it got me into other activities (weights -esp. pull-up related, circuit training, swimming, running, cycling,..), mainly as ways to keep fit & keep my weight down. I am also interested in nutrition & health in general. I too found reducing fat (eliminating it as far as practical) & increasing protein & fibre intake beneficial, and actually did achieve a fairly "cut" physique a couple of times and for a few years -- by accident more than design (I was extremely active at the time while also watching my eating & drinking -- part of keeping my weight down). I like eating, so didn't really need protein powders (although I tried a couple) and I think they now recommend that you don't use them for weightloss. The exercise & activity seem to be by far the most important factor though. [If you are one of those people who have trouble gaining weight, getting up in the night & eating an extra high protein meal/snack is supposed to be effective].

However, I am a bit wary of excessive protein these days, as it is associated with gout, kidney problems and excessive bone loss in older people (perhaps the reason why countries that eat a lot of dairy food suffer more osteoporosis, despite the high calcium content of dairy). A few years ago Weider started selling strips intended to help you determine if you had eaten enough/too much protein, I think they detected some by-product of protein breakdown (keytones?) in the urine. Some oils are vitally important too, omega 3 & 6 fatty acids -- fish oil, nuts!

[GreekDiver]

the best after workout shake :

1 cup of oats
1 glass of skim milk or 1% fatmilk ( i like to use that new fatfree plus milk available now- it doesnt taste like water )
2 scoops of whey strawberry
1 tablespoon of creatine
1 tablespoon of flatseed oil
1/4 of cup of dextrose
3 ice cubes

Put all that in a blender at highest speed. It tastes good and its got everything you need.

i have been working out 5 day a week for a year. I got great results. I went from 170lbs to 190lbs (5'10")and my waist is smaller. My bench went from 130lbs to 275lbs. The real trick to results is diet. Eating 6 times a day of quality food is the toughest part of working out. Lifting weights is easy. Eating when you arent hungry is brutal.

[GreekDiver]

Originally Posted by foxfish

That is interesting, I am now 47 & haven't really weight trained for 15 years. In my time diet & nutrition was not the precised science it is now, basically we existed on a 20% protein 70% carbs & 10% fat diet. When I could afford supplements we would drink high carb powder mixed with full cream milk. This diet worked to a certain extent but we never looked really "cut". I still have an interest in nutrition & keep in contact with my previous training partners. The guys now eat a very different diet based mainly on high protein consumption. I also eat a much higher protein diet now myself & feel pretty good doing so.
I live in Guernsey a small Island situated between England & France.

one cup of oats is 54 grams of carbs. Imo, those carb shakes arent good.

[Mr. X]

Originally Posted by GreekDiver

... The real trick to results is diet. Eating 6 times a day of quality food is the toughest part of working out. Lifting weights is easy. Eating when you arent hungry is brutal.

I have never had a problem eating (unfortunately that works against me, as I prefer to be light - doh!) - but eating when you are not hungry sounds grim. There is also a potential problem that they sometimes call "ex-Marine syndrome", or similar, in the States where you aquire a large appetite when young and very active but find that the appetite does not diminish when you get older & less active.

There is hope though, I have a friend who is in his mid-50's who is buff. Stallone (59) is supposed to be back in shape for Rocky VI too:


[Looks like the image was "retouched" though - see right waistband]

[GreekDiver]

Originally Posted by Mr. X

I have never had a problem eating (unfortunately that works against me, as I prefer to be light - doh!) - but eating when you are not hungry sounds grim. There is also a potential problem that they sometimes call "ex-Marine syndrome", or similar, in the States where you aquire a large appetite when young and very active but find that the appetite does not diminish when you get older & less active.

There is hope though, I have a friend who is in his mid-50's who is buff. Stallone (59) is supposed to be back in shape for Rocky VI too:


[Looks like the image was "retouched" though - see right waistband]

he was juicing in that movie.

[Murat]

just noticed that thread. Thank yuo

I quit bodybuilding some time ago coz of as far as i know its not good for diving. Now i am doing only anaerobic weightlifting. Works good for decreasing surface time and increase pain threshould against CO2

Basically,

Hold you breath just like static ( start with 20 sec and go way up to 1 min)
When predefined duration achived (20 secs in the begining phase of training)
start to perform the exercise. But drop the weight to the %30-%40 percent of your max. for that specific exercise. Perform the action more quickly.Between the sets perform little breathing up routing like 5 sec inhale 10 sec exhale. Then hold your breath again for another 20 secs and start lifting. When you feel more comfortable. You can increase the static time rep number (by the way keep the rep. number high from the begining, could be 10-12-15 or 15-20-25 or 20-30-40) etc...

An if you are as crazy as me go to field and run for 3 km

And remmember to take good protein quality carb. No fat, sugar, salt (when you are not in sea of course),and caffein.

Well you will be both look great and able to dive Doesn't this sound COOOL!!!!!??

[GreekDiver]

Originally Posted by Murat

just noticed that thread. Thank yuo

I quit bodybuilding some time ago coz of as far as i know its not good for diving. Now i am doing only anaerobic weightlifting. Works good for decreasing surface time and increase pain threshould against CO2

Basically,

Hold you breath just like static ( start with 20 sec and go way up to 1 min)
When predefined duration achived (20 secs in the begining phase of training)
start to perform the exercise. But drop the weight to the %30-%40 percent of your max. for that specific exercise. Perform the action more quickly.Between the sets perform little breathing up routing like 5 sec inhale 10 sec exhale. Then hold your breath again for another 20 secs and start lifting. When you feel more comfortable. You can increase the static time rep number (by the way keep the rep. number high from the begining, could be 10-12-15 or 15-20-25 or 20-30-40) etc...

An if you are as crazy as me go to field and run for 3 km

And remmember to take good protein quality carb. No fat, sugar, salt (when you are not in sea of course),and caffein.

Well you will be both look great and able to dive Doesn't this sound COOOL!!!!!??

i dont think bodybuilding hurts unless you start getting bulky with muscles. You are just becoming stronger pound for pound. I guess maybe because i workout for strength instead of mass.

What really helped me with my dive times for spearfishing is just jumping into a pool and swimming back and forth as many times as i could with fins with a realistic speed pace. Now, the only problem with working out like this is, you need someone to watch you so you dont drown in the pool. The results are great though. You will see after a few weeks you will be able to increase the times you go back and forth.

[MrK]

Hey fellas, its good to be in the company of former and current bodybuilders/powerlifters.

My stats:-
Age:23
Height: 5ft 8inches
Current weight: 100kg, 220pounds
B/f%: 12%

Will be competiting in the INBA (International Natural Bodybuilding Association) at the end of the year.