Apnea jogging?

[joe123321]

Hey, is there a reason I have never seen anyone talk about apnea jogging?

Ive tryed doing that in a park by my house where I normaly do apnea walks and I think I like it better. Is there any safety reasons people dont do this or a difference in effectiveness of the training between the two?

[jome]

I guess the idea in apnea walking is to simulate dynamic apnea. Ie the duration, speed and HR are close, or at least closer, to each other than with jogging. Thus is probably more popular...

With apnea jogging, I think the key is to keep speed/hr low enough (very light) and not take the apnea to extremes, but do it repeatedly.

For example something I might do:
-Speed 6.00-6.30 min/km
-FRC breath hold for 30-35 step pairs
-Recover about the same time
-Repeat

I do this 10-20 times. 20 is really pushing it. The idea is not to make the toughtes apnea, the longest time or longest distance every time, but to repeatedly get a good apnea response.

If you have a good HRM (not the usual kind that shows a 15 sec average), you should see some interesting results. Since the whole apnea is only 15-30 sec, the normal HRMs simply can't keep up...

Here's an example

[naiad]

Very interesting! There is a big difference in heart rate.

FRC apnea doesn't make my heart rate lower, in fact it usually increases. Maybe that is why I find it difficult.

Lucia

[jome]

To give you an idea of how dramatic the effect is, each cycle is around 1 minute...So the drop in HR happens in like 20-25 seconds!

[joe123321]

Thats interesting, Thanks for the info.

[naiad]

Originally Posted by jome

To give you an idea of how dramatic the effect is, each cycle is around 1 minute...So the drop in HR happens in like 20-25 seconds!

When I do a static with full lungs, my HR drops almost immediately at the beginning. This doesn't happen with passive exhale or forced exhale, or with packing. I don't know why the amount of air makes a difference, maybe it is the pressure in my lungs?

[scoles]

I tried apnea jogging mid run and at a good speed as well...try 4-4:10/km. Im really fit and I knew 10 seconds was really pushing it. But that was a few months before when any type of apnea training didnt really interest me.

Jome...how do you know so much?

[joe123321]

Originally Posted by scoles

Jome...how do you know so much?

*leans over and wispers in ear*

I think he cheats

[jome]

Well, honestly, I just recurgitate what I've picked up from reading too much db, listening to a certain Finnish diver too much and spending faaaar too many sleepless nights or times "spacing out at work" pondering about diving.

All I have learned from diving I have learned from others. That is also why I don't mind sharing what little I have come to know - I by no means believe I "own" the information (which is a silly concept to me anyway). There are far more knowledgeable divers hanging around in this forum. I'm just a forum addict (must reply to every post ).

Unfortunately, at least half of diving is something you really cannot learn or teach in writing. It's something you have to go out and discover your self. The feelings and sensations, how your body and mind work, how to be comfortable in water...You know, the "making love to mother earth" stuff.

[Waterenthusiast]

Hi everyone,
I also did some apnea jogging 2 years ago but injured myself and still suffer the consequences When jogging you experience at every step light shocks ( which doesn't happen while walking). Now the problem is that through holding your breath with full lungs, your ribcage becomes quite rigid and can't absorb very well this shocks, and if your lucky enough like me, this leads to slightly dislocate a rib at its joint on the spine. Now I have chronic pain in my back till that incident and the docs can't really help me My advice, be carefull and don't inflate your lungs to much so that your thorax stays flexible.

Christophe

[naiad]

Christophe, thanks for the warning. I started a thread about dry apnea safety here.

[joe123321]

Originally Posted by Waterenthusiast

Hi everyone,
I also did some apnea jogging 2 years ago but injured myself and still suffer the consequences When jogging you experience at every step light shocks ( which doesn't happen while walking). Now the problem is that through holding your breath with full lungs, your ribcage becomes quite rigid and can't absorb very well this shocks, and if your lucky enough like me, this leads to slightly dislocate a rib at its joint on the spine. Now I have chronic pain in my back till that incident and the docs can't really help me My advice, be carefull and don't inflate your lungs to much so that your thorax stays flexible.

Christophe

Thanks for that warning

Im sorry to hear about that Ill be sure to be carefull.