Should AIDA Allow Sambas in Competition?

[Herbert]

Originally posted by donmoore
Hebert,
... would you share what you try to do, under the current rules, to look good to the judges? Where do you look, facial expression, thoughts, etc.? I would love to hear others thoughts on this too.

Don,

Sebastian answered this question very well in the topic:
How does one detect a LMC - how does one "hide" it.

The only thing I want to add, is that I try to smile, and not just look at one junde only this might look like staring. As soon as I am safe i start talking - just act normal

[laminar]

The 'Petition to AIDA' is already causing a commotion within AIDA and on the various lists. If you haven't had a chance to review it, please take a look and sign it.

Please have a look at the thread for the invitation to sign and some commentary and clarifications: http://forums.deeperblue.net/showthr...183#post300183

Also have a look at Claude's challenge of 152 signatures on the thread. If you know any trainers, safety divers, volunteers, media, and AIDA representatives, please let them know about the Blue Paper, and invite them to get involved in the discussion and sign on!

Thanks,

Peter Scott (laminar)
Vancouver, BC

[DSV]

I see that the platform issue is coming up a lot on the posts here on DB and also other forums.

I sometimes train with a soft foam lifeguard buoy that I can sit on and breath up. It submerges me 6'2" 175lbs (I don't know meters sorry ;-)) up to my chest. If you could possibly construct this into having a back to it it could be used in the ways that you describe. It could be a seat and if the person suffered a LMC or BO they could lay back on 2 floats, one supporting the legs the other supporting the back or head.

Just a thought.

I have to admit I was skeptical when I first read the "blue paper", but I'm in favor of the tougher rules on LMC's because I agree that people are training themselves to control these LMC's and pushing past their limits, I've seen it with my own eyes.

Keep up the good work!

DSV

[laminar]

Hi everybody (sorry for the duplication),

We sent off the following letter to AIDA today. Thanks to all who took part in the petition and the discussion. Hopefully our ideas will be considered and there will be some progress soon at all levels.

Cheers,

Pete Scott
Vancouver, BC

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Dear Members of the AIDA Assembly,

The petition to AIDA (Blue Paper) has brought forward some intersting ideas for alternatives and modifications to existing AIDA rules and safety standards. We present the petition, its signatures and comments for your consideration:

www.holdyourbreath.ca/petition.html

www.holdyourbreath.ca/sign.html

Thirty-four freedivers signed the petition from the following countries: Russia, Netherlands, Australia, Austria, United Kingdom, Colombia, New Zealand, Sweden, South Africa, Spain, United States, and Canada. These individuals are AIDA competitors, trainers, world record holders, and recreational freedivers.

We support AIDA and its future development around the world, improvements in rules and safety protocols, strengthening of national chapters and increased democratic transparency throughout the organization.

We hope that the Blue Paper petition will inspire new solutions to existing challenges and productive discussion within the AIDA Assembly.

Sincerely,

Peter Scott

Tyler Zetterstrom

Eric Fattah

British Columbia, Canada

bluepaper@holdyourbreath.ca

[OceanSwimmer]

Originally posted by Pezman
I say samba should be allowed, and that you should get bonus points for the most intense samba. It will do wonders for ratings.

[aka]

Nope , really not a good idea!

[ADR]

I think you should be allowed to "look" like crap after a long breath hold. As stated in previous threads a marathon runner is allowed to collapse on the ground after an event as it is recognised that they have physically endured something through the effort. Our rules as they currently stand have both objective "tests" and subjective components. Objectively you need to signal Ok to the judges remove your mask etc in specified time limits and these are easy to verify as you either do them or you don't. The concerns seem much more around the associated subjective elements....you have to do these things without shaking, can't stare blankly while doing it etc. I'm in favour of dropping the subjective elements all together and increasing the objective ones to ensure that the individual is in control but recognising they have put their body through an ordeal as well. As Eric has said often on this topic the objective elements can be easily verified the subjective can not be.

[ADR]

I forgot to add:

The focus currently is more about do people "portray" an unacceptable level of lack of control and therefore DQ when what we should be validating is do they prove an acceptable level of control. This shift in thinking is much clearer and easier to judge. It would remove subjectivity & inconsistency with discussions then focusing on what test/tasks validate an acceptable level of control. People would never leave a comp shaking their heads and not really knowing what rule they had broken in getting a DQ.

[TNdiver]

Originally Posted by icarus pacific

You gotta be shitting me!!

Allowing any sport to condone the blacking out/passing out or momentary incapacitation of the participant is just friggin' nuts! What's next, that competitive skydiving allow non-op parachute landings as long as the guy walks away??

I'm agreeing with the Cliff. Whoda thunk?

boxing, kickboxing, prizefighting, mixed martial arts......??