Patrick Musimu Article in Diver Mag

[Merlin]

Maybe he should have spent some of his trainning time on anger management classes.

[tylerz]

Originally Posted by hanke

You all didn't read his post-dive statement, did you?

http://www.patrickmusimu.com/statement.html
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For an outside observer, this article written by Patrick is basically an apology to all of you,
although you don't find the exact word apology here. It's very strange to me. Why can't you take it, apologize for your statements and make a fullstop after all the disputes around this dive?
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the meantime ... the people *here* at these forums got angry at him. And the circle closes. It's very childish. You people here posting about how he doesn't find peace etc. don't look like *you* actually did find it.

Actually you are absolutely correct that I just read the latest post-dive statement 2 days after my previous posts(sorry don't hang out at his site daily). And I as well saw it as an honorable appology and mature change in attitude. I also intended to state it so, but there didn't seem much rush as this thread had little activity. Although interesting that you ask the question and supply the answer for us yourself.

How you go from a discussion about a magazine article, to a suggestion that we here are being childish, not accepting his appology, and angry at him... boggles me??! Not sure where all that comes from. I think if you reread the posts, you will see there is no expression of anger, but simply an unbiased assessment of his approach to publicity in such articles. If you read other threads you would see that overall I and others have supported Patrik's dive and approaches and even argued for his case. Your assessment is completely off target. Peace? Interesting that you are suggesting those who have an unbiased opinion about somebody else's obvious lack of peace, as witnessed in the mentioned articles, implies they are not at peace? Could you please explain that concept?

However, you will find that many people would not be appeased by his subtle approach to an appology, so you may still have the chance yet to cast your judgement on others.

[samdive]

I'd still like to know what "we" did to upset Patrick in the first place. Does anyone know?

[donmoore]

I don’t think there is person alive who hasn’t had a problem with anger at one time or another. Being quick to judge shows a problem with anger just as much as an outburst. Everyone could probably benefit from an anger management course.

Second reporters never write exactly what a person says and they also tend to emphases things that weren’t intended to be emphasis. Their goal is to make their story the most read as possible.

Third, we should never assume we know exactly what a non-first language English speaker is saying and especially their attitude behind it is. Believe me, I have some experience with this. I’m married to one! Being slow to judge is a necessity, because you will get it wrong very fast and then there will be conflict.

Let the past outbursts and judgments be in the past. Patrick, your dive and accomplishments are incredible! If you choose to participate in this forum, we will be honored to have your input. We want to know everything you want to share about your training, your techniques, equipment, goals, future, etc..
don

[Patfan]

Originally Posted by donmoore

Let the past outbursts and judgments be in the past

Donmoore I seriously love your attitude and objectivity....

having jumped repeatedly on the bandwaggon of sarcasme and childishness.... I will abstain from future conflict ....well i'll try i'm only human after all.....


and I think that Patrick or anyone for that matter who is talked to with the respect and objectivity you've come with would be more than forthcoming...

[Patfan]

Originally Posted by watts

If Patricks 209.6m dive on a training day in preparation for the big day is to be considered a world record why shouldnt Toms 10min static or Sebs 192m....

So is the official identity of the Mysterious 192 m diver...could someone please confirm this because I've been waiting for the guys identity for so loong.....!!!!

[srmccall]

What an amazing dive..... Spectacular

I cant beleive more people have not addressed the fact that we have not seen a surface video yet... How have more people not requested this to validate this "unofficial" dive? I sure hope to see one......



Seth

[tylerz]

[quote=Patfan][quote=tylerz]
Hi tylerz as said in previous threads elsewhere I'm new here and not even a part of your world (freediving) but as an outsider here, I can understand the man from what I've seen in deeperblue forums alone....

posted by E Fattah april 26th 2005 on the 200m deep forum (who i was told here at DB is a repsected reference and role model)

Originally Posted by efattah

I guess I don't really agree with announcing a WR that is 80m more than his personal best.... his best was 120m in variable weight, and according to his website he was very happy to reach 100m again in no-limits....

I don't think he understands how chest squeeze & lung squeeze work. To dive to 200m requires a VERY flexible trachea which is only possible by diving deep a LOT. Loic dives VERY deep ALL YEAR to keep his chest & trachea flexible. The problem and danger is that if Patrick tries to go to the bottom at 200m on the record day (from media pressure), and if his trachea hasn't been prepared in terms of flexibility, then it will rupture and blood will flood his lungs. Then, not only will he be injured, but people will misunderstand, and people will say '200m is beyond the human limit.' In fact, it is definitely possible, with slow, gradual preparation.
QUOTE]If this is just one example imagine the numerous others.

Pat, thanks for giving an example that can be discussed!

So, where do you see in the example that there is some sort of issue? I assume you are picturing that there is some element of negativity, unsupportiveness, arrogance, presumption, condescension, or something along those lines? I expect that you and others (Patrik?) read the statements you quoted to mean something like, "It is wrong to announce a WR that is 80m more than his personal best..."; this is not the meaning of Eric's statements.

I suppose there can be some lack of meaning in how it directly translates into other languages, but you can be certain that in our culture/language his statements you quoted do not imply any of the elements of negativity that I am assuming you are suggesting are present. It is a perfectly fair and generous emphasis of one's opinion followed by the reasons for his opinion. If you notice Eric's frequent posts throughout the site, in this regard he usually does not employ the precisions of the language, which only demonstrates his efforts to emphasize that these statements were opinion and possibly mistaken.

"If this is just one example... "

Can you clarify what you see the statements as an example of and where precisely you identify something that provokes an issue, as this particular example appears completely free of anything warranting attention. That is unless it is worthy to focus on the fact that somebody was mistaken in their opinion.

[donmoore]

Seth,
Good points! The surface video would be nice, but remember Patrick doesn’t have to answer to us. Like someone else said, we will probably have to wait for the documentary to be released. In the mean time we can be sure, with the people and reporters who were there, that something incredible happened! Clean recovery, samba, black out, whatever, no one has ever been that deep on a single breath and is still alive to talk about it.
don

[tylerz]

Originally Posted by donmoore

Second reporters never write exactly what a person says and they also tend to emphases things that weren’t intended to be emphasis. Their goal is to make their story the most read as possible.

Third, we should never assume we know exactly what a non-first language English speaker is saying and especially their attitude behind it is. Believe me, I have some experience with this. I’m married to one! Being slow to judge is a necessity, because you will get it wrong very fast and then there will be conflict.

Don,

Definately respect the general concept and circumstance you presented and have experience with that myself.

Specifically to the situation with Patrik's statements, the reportings just continued/expanded on what Patrik had publicized on his web site. In my post I gave it the possibility of misrepresentation as well, but definately it was not out of character. Even his own recent public statement on his site admits this tendency.

Regarding the language barrier, I find it ironic that you would suggest this for the circumstances. The sequence of events appears to be that Patrik, with his language barrier, generated a frustration and intollerance for others who didn't speak his language, then proceeded to communicate based upon that as part of his direct publicity and promotion, which is now followed by public opinion of such an approach. It appears to me that he has more of a role in the judgement and need to acknowledge language barriers than those that found his public decrees a little distasteful. If one is promoting themself and directly making a public presence, website and all, fueling the controversial, shouldn't it be on their shoulders to clarify themself? Would it be too much to ask for them to actually get feedback on what their use of the language implies? Whether it is likely to carry the meaning they intended? I think it to be so, and I think he probably did do this. I think if the language barrier was an issue here, it would have been a bit of a one way street; his barrier to understanding those he was frustrated with. It seems he was quick to judge. Where are you finding others quick to judge him?

What are you thoughts on this?

[donmoore]

Tyler,
Thanks for respecting my general concept. My thoughts is that most have had a chance to express their views.

Are you back to doing long statics? My SaO2% has been low most of the time for the last 7 months. I can’t seem to figure out the cause. Every once is awhile it back up to where it used to be but not for long. 5:30 is the longest static I have had this year. It’s a little frustrating.
don

[Lehmann108]

Originally Posted by Patfan

So is the official identity of the Mysterious 192 m diver...could someone please confirm this because I've been waiting for the guys identity for so loong.....!!!!

That was me. But only my cat, Winkie performing her one and only technical dive, witnessed it. I'm quite the stud in the kitty kingdom.