New STA record attempt pending

[amihov]

I just want to say something about the 20 hours a day training. I have some experience whit have training and i can say that 20 hours a day training is only possible under steroids or human growth hormone. Again i don't want to say that he is using them but maybe there is some wrong information. I am not sure if people know about this but a side effect from human growth hormone is enlarge nose and bigger ears. Since they are a soft tissue they will continue to grow if humane grow hormone is taken by an athlete. So if you compare pictures of the same person before and after taking this drug you can see the difference. If the person has abuse this drug for a long time difference will be very obvious .

[GreG.]

Of course 20h/24 is not human... it is 20h/week

Oh... and yes, there was a doping test... AIDA France follow AIDA International rules... full video, doping test, warmup control, etc...
I am one of the judges, french as the second one... so National Record (depending of test results).

[amihov]

20 hours a week is more likely to be possible.

[Goran Colak]

Originally Posted by GreG.

Oh... and yes, there was a doping test... AIDA France follow AIDA International rules... full video, doping test, warmup control, etc...
I am one of the judges, french as the second one... so National Record (depending of test results).

Tanx for that GreG.

This is now something compleatly different, i'm glad that Mifsud take that doping test and i'm shure it will be ok. Also that warmup control was conducted....

[jfjulian]

yes he did an official aida test less than 10 mn after the performance with a licensed doc. and the 3 judges being here (i have it all on tape) also the judges arrived a least one hour before and stood next to him, anyway the whole aida thing was on... so please some of you take a minute of static apnea before you start to guess and write silly things... :-) also so you know mifsud started cycling two year ago for his winter dynamic training (213m), and never was a pro nor did the tour de france... haha.... he was into pro windsurfing before becoming a pro in freediving... lets all be happy it all went fine + great tv coverage and big up for the sports and great perf... for the rest ask the guy... i m sure he will be happy to answer your questions cheers. jf

[Billextreme]

Can someone... maybe Haydn, give me a good reason why AIDA should treat Mifsud different than Herbert, Tom, Stig, Mandy, Martin, Carlos, Tanya and Natalia etc.. etc.

AIDA Fance do not add EPO test to there doping test. (at least not to the last 3 years of FRA Records) EPO is not incl in normal doping tests.

/B

[Goran Colak]

Bill, how the test must look like for detecting EPO?

This is posible only from the blood or how?

Tanx!

[GreG.]

Well, EPO tests are usually done using urin, not blood... anyway, I am a National Judge and Guillaume Nery too. It's not the first time that a national record exceed world record... And it is probably not the least.

[shoutatthesky]

So if there were AIDA judges there and the doping test (including EPO) was done then I don't see why it is not a WR. Is it just because Mifsud didn't go through the correct process for ratification of a WR and only applied to AIDA France for ratification of a NR?

Can some one educate me?

[Haydn]

Hi Bill,

Of course, athletes should be treated the same. However, its not a fair point to argue that if its ok for the others it should be ok for Stephane. It shouldnt be ok for the others to find that Aida World Records are broken and in a disputed fashion of red tape. That does a dis-service to Aida and devalues our athletes performance.

A genuine beating of a world record holder, enhances the value of both athletes in a spirit of endeavour and unity. The highest level of honour we can show to any competitor is by doing our very best to beat them, and by so doing, we raise the bar, sending out the call for a renewed challenge. If Aida were able to accept these genuine record efforts, it would add honour to each performance rather than dilute the performance of both athletes. In other words, the athlete who attempts to beat Stephane brings honour to Stephane as well as to himself.

Whats unusual here is that if I were in the pool at the same time as Stephane and we both started the static at the same time and I came up say 30 seconds sooner than him, I would hold the World Record even though it was obvious he did a better time.

So, the question is not "why AIDA should treat Mifsud different than Herbert, Tom, Stig, Mandy, Martin, Carlos, Tanya and Natalia etc.. etc", but why they cant create a system that accounts for the performance of these World class athletes? So that the title of World Record holder goes to the right person.

All it takes is someone writing a sentance or two to the rules. Its so easy, I dont understand why nobody seems to get the point. Change the rules and we embrace Stephane, Umberto and I guess a few other stalwarts of the sport. Its what any organsiation should do.

"It's not the first time that a national record exceed world record." Thats another problem that needs resolving.

Its only a matter of drafting rules that cater for the performance.

[Ale Andres]

May be the solution of all this is not recognize individual records attempts anymore. I think that it's time to stop with this, freediving was born with this kind of world record attempts in a time when there weren't competitions, but now there are enough. Can we give the same status to a WR in competition, with only one chance, the stress and all that stuff and a WR in wich you can try several times, judges are only for you, many days to try, etc, etc? I think that it's not fair for those who make WR in competitions. In that case this discussion would not be happening, if Stephane wants to make a WR he has to participate in a competition, no argue.

[Marwan]

i just have a question that might seem silly, but is stephane asking that his record be recognized by aida? maybe he doesnt care and regards himself as the world record holder no matter who ratifies that....
Dont get me wrong im not against aida, but my personal view is that, the current picture being portrayed here spells monopoly and maybe some bureacracy...
while i see aida's point of view, im trying to look from a different perspective, freediving is a very niche sport, most competitions, including the worlds hardly get any media coverage, i think its far from being included in olympics etc....i think there has to be some level of flexibility to promote the sport.. the average spectator would not understand why the offical world record is 9:14 while there is a well known athete that made 10:04...to me it sounds like something should be done ...with the thought of promoting the sport in mind at no expense of integrity of course, to the non technical spectator.. no need to assume that the athlete and alll hs countrymen are cheats right...im just saying that with the tight controls around the sport and having a single body controlling it like that, i dont see the sport getting widespread to the less informed public in the near term.., its becoming tooo technical (think mayol and majorca and lets try and bring back those days) maybe aida could consider some changes, im quite inexperineced to recommend some, im sorry for that
just my opinion...

[GreG.]

Hi,

you're right, Stephane made a French National record attemp... and break it
No world record is asked.

[Jorg]

Originally Posted by Haydn

All it takes is someone writing a sentance or two to the rules. Its so easy, I dont understand why nobody seems to get the point.

Haydn, so you think if someone does a 12 minute static, and it's filmed for television and broad casted worldwide then that record should be recognized?

BTW, I totally agree that at least the pool disciplines record attempts should be gone! There are so many pool competitions these days, that there is no need for someone to do record attempts in them. It makes it all more interesting. There aren't enough competitions for depth discipline, so that would still be okay to do record attempts.

[Monkey Matt]

Some interesting comments but the way I see it is that to do an AIDA world record all you have to is follow the AIDA world record rules and be a world class freediver. If you don't it is not an AIDA world record.
We had a situation in the UK some years ago when Fiona Gowland broke the British DNF record and exceeded the world record. A world record was not claimed because the rules for a national record were used. This meant no doping test and judges the same nationality as the athlete.
I believe there was then an effort to raise the funding for her to it a world record but it came to nothing.