Advanced monofins

[H.Balázs]

Hello,

I ordered this monofin yesterday. It is a Zolotov gipper type monofin, and it will arrive in february (I hope). The price is 300 euro, correct I think...I'm longing for it so much!!!

[PoseidonSv]

How did you order size on footpockets and will you use it with neoprene socks also?

[Jon]

I don't know if these fall under the "advanced" level or not, but I certainly found them to be very different than any thing else I've seen so far.

Don't ask me where to buy one as I was just surfing through the Goggle images and found this under "monofin diving". the web site wasin some kind of script I can't read so I couldn't even give you a language- although I would guess Chinese.

Jon

[trux]

Originally Posted by Jon

I don't know if these fall under the "advanced" level or not, but I certainly found them to be very different than any thing else I've seen so far.

Don't ask me where to buy one as I was just surfing through the Goggle images and found this under "monofin diving". the web site wasin some kind of script I can't read so I couldn't even give you a language- although I would guess Chinese.

Thanks, Jon. Interesting. I'll certanly add it to my Collection of Weird Fins (with your kind permission). Can you post the URL?

[Jon]

http://www.tcn.co.jp/diving/trye/index.htm

[jome]

Originally Posted by Jon

although I would guess Chinese.

Looks like japanese

[Tbird]

Jome/Wal/ BennyB and anyone else with a Russian Fin

I am trying to find a solution to the extra bouyancy shift in my Hyperfin.

I bought it from Russia (the same one I think that some of the Molchanovas use, though not the original Andronov). It is terrific for dynamic and pretty bouyant too. I am thinking of getting them to make a neutrally bouyant fin for constant weight with less compressible rubber in the wing and footpockets.

They are happy and willing to make it but as they come from a finswimming background, are not too familiar with the right materials for Constant Weight diving at pressure.

Have you guys any idea what is the right kind of non-compressible rubber to use?

I have used similar Russian Andronov-type fins for constant and they all tend to get a little soft coming off the bottom, losing the advantage of the wings. It would be nice to be able to find a solution to this problem.

Theo.

[rafacuatic]

Hi Theo.
I think there is no solution to this problem,the way is dissasemble all the mono and made it with solid rubber.
Keep your mono for DYN and buy one for CW.I am using a leaderfins Flyer with no compresion wings and pockets.The rubber is like the one used in the bifins footpockets.
Rafa

[wes]

Here is a mini review of my new Wings Nemo Monofin by Water Way. It is the middle stiffness. It's my first Mono so don't know how it is compared to other Monos. I like it alot and its very fun and compelling as I learn new technique tips each session it seems like. Before I swam with Cressi Gara 2000 fins and could do at my best 2x25m on 90 second intervals continuously for up to 60 minuites at a time. Now I can just do that again after 6 weeks of practice averaging 2-3 times per week so a pretty steep learning curve. I am sure this mono is not as streamlined as the more expensive and "advanced" monos as it has the regular Nemo foot pockets. I am at about the same level now as I was before with my old fins though am sure there is room to imporve more as many times I have very "good" laps and then try to do them again and they feel bad from some subtle thing being off. I would buy the Wings Nemo again as its not too expensive and has shown no signs of wear at all and seems to be quite strudy. It also came very quickly in only 3 weeks and was easy to order (I ordered it thru the PFI store). The only downside was that I got a few small blisters on my feet and toes the first few times I used it and just ignored them and they have now gone away.

[BennyB]

I received my new monofin last week and had my first pool session with it tonight. I decided to go for a Hyperfin as i'd tried a few of them and loved them, and in fact I would have got one originally but I couldn't get in touch with the manufacturer, but did get a response from Kershkov.

The ordering process was relatively easy, since a mate had one of these fins I used it a couple of times and wanted one that was a little bit stiffer and a little bit tighter around the footpockets. The guy knew straight away what I wanted and it was made in around a week. Bladewise I asked for harder than an 800m fin, but not a 400m - roughly half way between the two but closer to the 800m. If that makes sense...

When I received it at first I was a little disappointed with the build quality, as the surfaces of the rubber seemed a bit rough where they had been glued, and in fact a 2 inch section of the wing had become unglued. I've come to the conclusion that althought they make fantastic fins, the russian finmakers don't really care too much for finishing touches. The area which became unglued can easily be fixed though, which i'll do in a couple of days. The footpockets looked suspiciously small, I always get a bit paranoid about them being too small before I try a fin. Finally, the type of fiberglass looked different from what I was expecting. It also felt a little soft so this got me a bit worried too.

Anyway off to the pool tonight and all my fears were unwarranted. The footpockets were a perfect size. My feet were very sore after about 20 minutes, but this is par for the course for a well-fitting footpocket. In any case the rubber does mold to the foot after a while and your feet toughen up.

Performance-wise, the Hyperfin is very similar to the Kershkov. There's a lot of thrust for relatively little effort, and a fantastic glide thanks to the heavily angled footpockets. Having not used a monofin for many weeks, it didn't take long to slip into my old technique again. Did I mention that glide???

Constant weight I expect will be similar in nature to the Kershkov. I've taken both the Kershkov and a Hyperfin down past 50m and noticed no significant change in behaviour related to fin compression. Although i'm told this does occur in the floating fins from 60m+. Come to think of it i've been told it's good to 80m too so make up your own minds there.... in any case it's irrelevent to me for the moment

All in all i'm very happy with the fin, it's certainly one of the top ones on the market. I do miss the Kershkov, but when I win the lottery i'll pick up one of them again. And maybe an Andronov, and a Chen Bin.......

Cheers,
Ben

[PoseidonSv]

Did you have a kershow fin before or was it just a fin you tried?

It does not look exactly the same as the Waterway Glide fin but ti think its quite equal.

The shape on the blade of the Waterway fin is a bit different.

Is this the Cheaper version of the Hyperfin?

I guess it is the one Leaderfins have on their webpage and that Polyorg also sells?

[X-Fins]

Originally Posted by PoseidonSv

I guess it is the one Leaderfins have on their webpage and that Polyorg also sells?

no, no, completely different of HYPER PRO or HYPER, specially the stratification of the fiber along the blade, etc..

HYPER PRO by LeaderFins



HYPER by LeaderFins

[BennyB]

Originally Posted by PoseidonSv

Did you have a kershow fin before or was it just a fin you tried?

Yes, I had a Kershkov fin before but it snapped at the WC in Egypt. Wasn't a manufacturing fault, I just gave it a big thump.

Originally Posted by PoseidonSv

It does not look exactly the same as the Waterway Glide fin but ti think its quite equal.

The Waterway Glide fin is nowhere near equal the Hyperfin and the Kershkov fins. The WW has much less angle on the footpocket, weighs less and despite it's name, you get less glide from a Glide than these other fins.

Originally Posted by PoseidonSv

The shape on the blade of the Waterway fin is a bit different.

Not sure, it looks like a fairly similar shape.

Originally Posted by PoseidonSv

Is this the Cheaper version of the Hyperfin?

Nope, this IS a Hyperfin. As Luis rightly points out they are different brands entirely. Leaderfins (from Estonia) make a Hyper and a Hyper Pro, my new fin is a Hyperfin (from Russia).

Originally Posted by PoseidonSv

I guess it is the one Leaderfins have on their webpage and that Polyorg also sells?

Polyorg has Kershkov, Leaderfins and Hyperfins on his website. Unfortunately Polyorg does not answer his emails too quickly so my initial inquiries with him took 3 weeks to respond. By this time I had already ordered and received my Hyperfin direct from the manufacturer.

Cheers,
Ben

[X-Fins]

Hi, guys, let me add one idea or concept design:

HYPER monos and FLYER monos are not only an name of models are types of ways to build monos.

FLYER usually are the name for monos for very high level competition in finswimming, specially Short/Medium distances. Flyer monos use to be very inconfortable (hard blades, hard and very narrow footpockets) in order to transfer all the potential of the athlete. I can notice a person, trying a monofin of other, with size 37 feeling pain when the owner has a 41 size. Obviously only for finswiming competition

HYPER are a models with more angle, soft footpockets and suitable for long distances ( about some kilometres). Very "Confortably" monofins. Not good for velocity or Sprints. Good for gliding.

If the freediver it's a real freediver with a very good static record will be better the HYPER, if the Freediver are a Finswimmer, probably will be better to use a FLYER for Dynamic because Finswimmers use to get distance using velocity instead of time in order to get the PB

So you can see FLYERS and HYPERS in different brands, that happen with cars "COUPES" and "BERLINAS" for instance. Impossible to have the same velocity in a F1 car with the confort of your street car.

Bye

[Scorp]

Ben,

you say

By this time I had already ordered and received my Hyperfin direct from the manufacturer.

So you did not order it through Polyorg? Can you maybe post a link to the Hyperfin manufacturer? How could you get in contact with him directly?
And the same question with regard to the Kershkov fin you had before - also ditrectly from the manufacturer or through polyorg?

I ask because i am myself on to find and get a fin, and so long i hear and read just negativ comments about polyorg, people dont get what they want or they have to wait endlessly. Would be great if one could get in contact directly with the russian fin manufacturers.

Thanks,
Ivo