The DeeperBlue.net Gun Building Extravaganza - Gun Options 4 - Trigger Location

[blaiz]

Originally Posted by blaiz

Now that I think about it my riffe euro is a rear handle but has about 3 or 4 inches to the but (Im assuming this is what is meant by rear trigger, handle slightly forward). I do enjoy this set up. You still have the range with a little added maneuverability.

I take this back, my riffe has a rear handle with a rubber butt. It is not forward 3-4 inches(shows how much I know my own equip.). As far as weight, my gun is balanced quite well underwater. True on land its tough to extend fully but underwater very easy and its a 110. Im changing my mind more than a square-dancer partners. Im now satisfied with my vote for a rear handle and rear trigger. I think this is definately a clearwater train of thought. Why sacrifice any of your range/reach? In the end majority rules!

Im loving this!

[Lockedin]

My Riffe is a mid - but it's also 139cm! My little Sea Hornet has the handle a bit falward, but I would still consider it rear handled, and great for kelp / reefs and funky water. I'm really loving the debate, and can hardly wait to see The GITS take on the finished product.

BTW are we too far into the shape of the gun to make the forward wide wings? I have them on my Riffe, and they stabilize the gun nicely (or is that just because of the length and power of that particular gun - 139cm and 3 9/16 bands)

[blaiz]

Originally Posted by Lockedin

My Riffe is a mid - but it's also 139cm! My little Sea Hornet has the handle a bit falward, but I would still consider it rear handled, and great for kelp / reefs and funky water. I'm really loving the debate, and can hardly wait to see The GITS take on the finished product.

BTW are we too far into the shape of the gun to make the forward wide wings? I have them on my Riffe, and they stabilize the gun nicely (or is that just because of the length and power of that particular gun - 139cm and 3 9/16 bands)

I think the wings are more suitable for a gun the length of your 140. The point of a 90 seems to me to be the optimal maneuverability. If you add wings moving the gun up and down in the water column will be very difficult. If im not mistaken, the wings on larger guns are used to reduce recoil and shaft whip. I dont think they would be necessary for a 90

[octpora]

Had to go rear as i see the 90cm a wee short for a forward grip. Also, less linkage sometimes means less to break.

[podge]

As it’s a euro 90 and not a mid handle 90 and because I’m also thinking about the less to break thing I’ve gone for a rear handle and rear trigger.
Not that I know anything about the building of a speargun so I’ve no real personal experience to go from, just my rambling thoughts.

[Daryl Wong]

Aloha All,

This is a great thread. I didn't vote because they are all good. I think many of us tend to over analyze the handle placement. Handle placement should be where it will work the best for the diver using it. It's like golfing. Look at the endless styles of putters. You don't have only one club to play the game. That is why I build the handle for wherever the diver needs it.

On bigger guns with a long stock, a mid handle might be better to aid in maneuverability while a small 75cm or 85 cm gun would be best with a rear handle.
I once heard from a European national champion that Euro guns were originally designed for diving deep, shooting small fish in cracks, and holes. A 85 cm gun is a big one by his standards for the Med. For diving off Florida for bigger game, or Puerto Vallarhta for big pelagic he favors mid handle and rear handle plus guns. He mentioned that once you go bigger than 100cm then maneuverability and also loss of power compared to a multi band type comes into play.

I do know that compared to some of our rail guns, a hybrid type gun enables you to have a little bit of buoyancy and yet maneuverability compared to a same sized Eruo gun. This is because you can only get so much buoyancy out of a tube vs wood stock. In the end it just depends on what type of gun, handle placement and style of diving you like. Me, I like them all. As long as its a stick with a band and sharp rod on it to kill fish , I'm happy. Look at some of the spearguns that are in countries that don't have access to modern spearguns. The divers do just fine with umbrella wire, rebar and anything that can be sharpened and propelled by rubber.
Here are a few pictures to give you an idea of the different handle placements.

Picture 1. this is a eruo hybrid with the handle in the back with the portion of the stock behind the handle the same as our Hawaiian railgun
Picture 2. Both 2 and 3 are examples of a rear plus and a mid handle for comparision.
Picture 3.
Picture 4. shows Euro style,Rear plus, Mid handle , and rear handle.

The Euro style handle I do is my version of putting the handle as far back on the stock. Obviously there is room for farther placement but I choose to go leave enough room for the mechanism and some stock to use when chest loading. Take care, dive safe and love the debates!

Aloha,Daryl

[foxfish]

Thanks for your input Daryl.
I like the fact that most of you are explaining your choice but I am surprised, as usual, with the voting so far!
Personally I would prefer to see a falward set handle simply because I have more rear handle guns than you can shake a stick at!

[Marwan]

when i voted for the slightly forward handle i had daryl's rear handle plus in mind...same as the great gun he made me

[Spaniard]

Check the slightly forward handle on this petrol-pump baby

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[Newbie_spearo]

Haha that petrol pump gun is awesome!!, some on was switched on when that idea came to mind!!! I voted for a slightly forward handle as I have 2 rear handle rail guns and well If I am the lucky one to win it it'll be something different.

[blaiz]

Its pretty interesting how close all these polls have been. Seems maybe there is something to be said about both handle positions. Im trying to keep an open mind but still happy that the rear handle is in the lead.

[Janner]

I voted for a forward set handle, seeing it 8" forward would be great

[foxfish]

Soooooo close!

[Mr. X]

It's pretty darn cool having Daryl Wong's input. Thanks Daryl!

Originally Posted by foxfish

Thanks for your input Daryl.
I like the fact that most of you are explaining your choice but I am surprised, as usual, with the voting so far!
Personally I would prefer to see a falward set handle simply because I have more rear handle guns than you can shake a stick at!

I suspect those voting for the forward handle (like myself) are probably in areas where 90cm is considered long -- so we want to also have the maneouvrability of a shorter gun. Those in the Med. prob. need the full range inc. the barrel (might make a good cave gun for grouper though?).

[I can see the frustrated non-winners of the prize wanting to join Daryl's waiting list for one of his gorgeous handle-forward guns to fit their specific needs]

[Pastor]

Am I right in believing that this poll ends tomorrow (Monday)?

It's running very close.