Relation between Dynamic and Static Skill

[andilein]

hello world!

im new here. just to introduce myself, my name is andi, im from austria, and im in the proccess of becoming a lifeguard.
i am 20 now. with 14 i was swimming championships on state level. since then i havent had any swimming training cause i have gone into other sports.

anyways, i have a question because this bugs me very much. my static time is 3:07 in my bed, but i have a HARD TIME, diving one length of a pool, 25 meters. i mean i can do it, but its just hard.

my question is, what do i have to do, to enhance my dynamic skill so it its more 'equal' to my static ?

thankyou in advance for your time readingthis and your answer :-)

bye

[naiad]

Hi Andi, welcome to Deeperblue!

More on static and dynamic performance...
http://forums.deeperblue.net/showthread.php?t=12249

Dynamic skill can only be improved by dynamic training. There are many things you can do to train for dynamic, described here on DB. If you are doing any training in the pool, whether static or dynamic, you must have someone with you at all times who knows what to do.

I still find dynamic much more difficult than static, and there is a huge difference in performance. It is partly because I don't mind pushing myself a lot in static, but I don't like it in dynamic. Also I get too tired doing dynamic, and disappointed with my lack of ability. If I manage to improve a lot, I'll post here and explain how I did it!

Lucia

[andilein]

dear lucia,

thankyou for your reply :-)

i dont have someone who actually 'knows what to do' in apnea, but i always have a lifeguard friend who is instructed to safe me if i stop moving (lol)

and thankyou for the link :-)

bye
andi

[adax]

Hi andilein,

I am probably at the same stage of experience with freediving. Before I knew what freediving is I could max. do 25 m. With my buddy we have agreed that it is good to try always doing the turn after you do 25 m, just to get accustomed to the feeling.

If you were swimming competitions, I think you might be swimming too fast. Count: if your static PB is 3 min., you have about 40 % from this for dynamic, i.e. about 70 sec. For a good swimmer there should be no problem to do 50 m in 70 sec. in a VERY relaxed pace. And you will never do your PB in just one dive. You should relax for a few minutes and try it again. Your max will be at the 4th maybe 5th try.

My dynamic PB is 50 m (I have done it only once ) after about 2 months of irregular training, but I didn't improve my static much from 1:50 min to 2:40 in the same time. I envy people here who could do 4 min after a short training...

[andilein]

thanks for the advice !!! yea i guess that was my mistake, i only tried it once each training session. ill take that into account when i go training tomorrow. thanks a lot :-) and good luck with your static training!

[Sergiu]

Hi guys,

a small contribution from someone who started just a few months back and can give you a different perspective.

First of all, I learnt that improvement comes with time and lots of practice in freediving. This is an adaptive process in which it's not possible to cut corners. Lots of people expect amazing results after a couple of months in the pool (me included!) but that's not gonna happen unless you are one of the very fortunate and properly equipped by design (read DNA) to do statics of 6min plus or 100m dymanic from the beginning (yes, there are some even around here on DB!).

Now, in static it is possibe to make a dramatic improvement fast, if you start from nothing. It is said that most of the people can hold their breath around 1 min or more, with basic training (tables) after a week most people can do 3 min plus and after 1-3 months, 4 or even 5 minutes. I started at 2min and now i can do 5, looks like i fit this theory. So, from 1 to 5 min it's a massive increase though it will not be the same with dynamic, i wish i was having a 5 times longer swims as 3 months ago, i would go for world records now

The progress in dynamic is very slow and it's a complex combination of factors. I found out that first of all one has to improve technique. Search these forums and you will find good info and also videos with different styles both for dynamic with or without fins. If you do 25m now, i would do just that, practicing techniques and different style (long glides. vs shorter but more energetic etc) until you find your own pace. Once you feel "fluid" in the water, you are ready to improve endurance and work out your capacity to perform under lack of oxygen and here there are more good materials about pool training both here on DB as well as on www.freedivecentral.com (one article in particular).

finally, one thing i found and still find difficult is the mental training. The best example is the turn at 25m or 50m. I do now comfortably 50m in dynamic no fins but for a long time I immediately felt out of aer just thinking i have to turn at 50m and continue! So much so that until receintly i only did 50m max training. Once i got over this mental handicap, i can now gor for 75m and possibly more soon (didnt do a max attempt receintly). not impressive figures, yet it stresses out that with the mental part at ease, one can jump even 25-50% even in dynamic.

hope it helps you get started and not quit becuase you cannot do 100m from the first week.

serge

[adax]

Well, I know the progress comes with time. I am patient. I target rather swimming 50 m consistently than doing 75 m once and then not even 50 m for a long time.

And I agree that there are much more variables in dynamic than static - technique, pace, turns and keeping concentration on all these things together when you would actually need to relax...

And Sergiu - do not underestimate yourself - I think for those who have tried it, 75 m DNF is VERY impressive!

Anyway, it would be quite interesting to make some statistic here on the forum to be able to compare e.g. how many people who have 6 min stat. PB can do 100+ m DNF etc.

[Jee]

Hi adax,

if you do 75m once, you can do 50, whenever you want.
I.e. my teammate Balázs could swim over 100m DNF, and once he swam - without much preparation, just jumped in the water - 75m.
To make STA-DNF comp - for him STA is about 7 min now. (now he is "on the track" and perhaps it will be more soon )

To have more examples: my STA pb is 5'45", my DNF pb is only 55m .
You can check more Hungarian members data (for comparisons of STA, DNF, DYF) here: http://www.aida-hungary.hu/eng/level..._id=2&ma_id=13 (click on the names)

[SEDATE]

Originally Posted by Sergiu

that's not gonna happen unless you are one of the very fortunate and properly equipped by design (read DNA) to do statics of 6min plus or 100m dymanic from the beginning (yes, there are some even around here on DB!).

Sergio
What exactly you mean design of DNA and effect of apnea! and any doc? you have about this case...

[Sergiu]

Merhaba Sedate,

Just back from DAHAB ! It was just a matter of expression, no scientific proof but i believe some people are predisposed, call it natural talent, for freediving. Hence the fact that some people start freediving training and hit in a couple of weeks +100m in dynamic or 6 min plus in static while some of us, the hermit and mortal freedivers have to train months or years to get to such levels.

serge

[SEDATE]

Originally Posted by Sergiu

Merhaba Sedate,

Just back from DAHAB ! It was just a matter of expression, no scientific proof but i believe some people are predisposed, call it natural talent, for freediving. Hence the fact that some people start freediving training and hit in a couple of weeks +100m in dynamic or 6 min plus in static while some of us, the hermit and mortal freedivers have to train months or years to get to such levels.

serge

Thnx info Sergio., i agree with you totally

[naiad]

I think static, dynamic and depth are totally different skills. Some people are lucky enough to be very good at all of them, but I have seen many freedivers who are good at one but struggle with the others.

Certainly there is such a thing as natural talent. I have seen freedivers who are very good with almost no training, and those who have to train very hard to achieve reasonable times and distances. However, training does often pay off, so it's no reason to give up!

[pelagicbeing]

in all area's of life...people tend to value more the things that they have worked / trained hard for. Often those who struggle alot in the beginning are those who really excel further down the line...

pelagicbeing

[naiad]

That's true. Most of the top freedivers train very hard, or at least get a lot of diving done, even if it is mostly recreational.