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aaronrushton

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hi,
i'm after a dive kinfe i could dispatch and clean fish with. where is the best place to strap them to your wetsuit i.e leg, arm. has to be cheap and chearful and have a good edge on it.
cheers,
Aaron
 
Yep The Omer Mini Blade would be a good choice.
I used to strap to my calf but these smaller knifes dont really get in the way on your arm so its a personal choice.
Like most guys I have lost a few knives over the years but I now use a limpet sheath that is very slimline & holds the knife just like a "limpet stuck to a rock". (thanks Mr X)
I do use my knife too - bass I kill with my stringer spike but mullet I kill with the knife, crabs can be pinned with a sharp knife & the help of my gun handle!
Fish in general I clean on the beach, even fillet sometimes but you wont find it easy to fillet with an ormer mini but its fine for descaling & gutting.
Of course the knife is an important safety aid in case of every divers worst fear - being taped under water in a net. So keep your knife sharp!!
 
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Omer mini is a great knife. Used to be my favourite. Don't get the Marco Bardi arm band sheath though as It's crap. Get the normal sheath with elastic straps and wear it on your left arm. I use the fore arm but some prefer the upper arm. Handle points towards your wrist.

A sharp knife is a must for safety. As one instructor said to me once "always have a sharp knife in case you get tangled in a net on the bottom - then you can cut your own throat and save yourself the terror of slowly drowning".

Cressi killer is another favourite knife but I use a tungsten knife. Never rusts (all of the stainless ones do) and stays razor sharp forever. I use the wenoka which is identical to the omer mini and even fits in the same sheath. Trouble is you have to import it from the States yourself and it costs £40. The other knives mentioned are under £20.

If you use the search button on top of the page you can find threads about knives.

Dave.
 
Omer mini is a great knife. Used to be my favourite. Don't get the Marco Bardi arm band sheath though as It's crap. Get the normal sheath with elastic straps and wear it on your left arm. I use the fore arm but some prefer the upper arm. Handle points towards your wrist.

A sharp knife is a must for safety. As one instructor said to me once "always have a sharp knife in case you get tangled in a net on the bottom - then you can cut your own throat and save yourself the terror of slowly drowning".

Cressi killer is another favourite knife but I use a tungsten knife. Never rusts (all of the stainless ones do) and stays razor sharp forever. I use the wenoka which is identical to the omer mini and even fits in the same sheath. Trouble is you have to import it from the States yourself and it costs £40. The other knives mentioned are under £20.

If you use the search button on top of the page you can find threads about knives.

Dave.

the arm thing sucks
i use a knife from Picasso tigre
a very good tool for all the needs

Tigre-Knife.jpg

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I use a frost mora Rustfree knife,keep it greased with vaseline and itll last "forever",dosent cost much either...:)
 
My favourite topic!

Taiwanese Union Spearo Dagger + RA Limpet Sheath
I use the popular & cheap Tawainese made Union diving dagger (sometimes called Stingray, Econo-spearo dagger, etc.), and I have an unused duplicate that I should probably sell (I lost my first knife first dive but my second knife has lasted years). It's not a particularly sharp knife, having the thick diamond cross-section of a dagger, however, I have sharpened the blade aggressively over time, so the blade is becoming slimmer, which I like. It actually comes with a pretty neat and unusual sheath, which could probably be used on leg or arm. But as Foxfish suggested, I use a Rob Allen limpet sheath - which is a simple flat sheath with thick elastic leg bands (for your calf) & no buckles or clips to fail; it holds a flat knife very securely and unobtrusively, and is unlikely to cause a snag or drag. I bought the sheath before knife, I love the simple effectiveness of its design and construction. [Other railgun companies produce similar products, I think Pelaj call theirs a pancake sheath (because its flat).]

Iki-Spikes & Stringers
But I rarely dispatch with my knife these days. Most recently, I have used the small spike on my inexpensive nylon belt stringer (from apnea.co.uk in Jersey). For bigger fish I prefer to use the much larger and sharper spike of my much loved Rob Allen float stringer (a great piece of kit:)). I experimented recently with some home-made iki-jimi spikes. These are basically a cheap awl with the handle replaced by a cheap thermo-plastic chainsaw-file handle, and a scabbard made from a section of old car antenna, the 2 pieces connected by a 3mm bungee cord loop, which also acts as a wrist loop and the fastening mechanism for hold it to my weightbelt). They work quite well but I lost the first having used it to dispatch a large mullet in very shallow water. I was so pre-occupied with sorting out my floatline & spearline in the dense weed that I forgot to re-secure the darn thing to my belt (all of my other kit is secured to something, even in use).

Dream Set-ups
I think ideally, I'd like a Sporasub Snake spearo dagger fitted to my waist but:
1. My waist is already surround by a weight belt and it is already full of weights.
2. the knife is too expensive, and so would make me hesitant to drop my belt in an emergency.
Alternatively a Rob Allen iki jimi spike on my weight belt - a nice looking and practical piece of kit but again too expensive to jettison or loose. And hard to justify for our relatively small [and less valuable ($$$)] British fish.

OMD likes his Titanium mini-dagger. There is certainly something to be said for good, small, light, simple gear (as my little OMer XXV speargun has helped me appreciate).

Lower Cost Alternatives

A less expensive alternative that really appeals to me is the Omer USA mini-dagger (I like the plain, simple handle and the superbly shaped blade, and small blades are safer to use when dispatching fish I think), or the old Omer Hunter (same blade, rubberized handle, odd but cool rubberized sheath). It took me sometime to realize the attraction of mini-daggers after it was first suggested to me by somebody at apnea.co.uk. I'm not sure where I would wear them though - arm/wrist/waist/thigh/calf? [On my Italian spearing DVD, Georgio Daparin (sp?) wears an inexpensive little Seacsub Samurai* - sometimes on this upper arm and sometime on a belt, if I recall correctly, to dispatch his fish. He sometimes wears two weight belts.]

What Now?
On balance, I'm pretty happy with my current set-up. The flat knife at my calf is retained for emergencies and heavy duty work - it rarely gets drawn other than for cleaning & sharpening. I find reaching for a calf knife a little ungainly/gauche. The waist stringer is close at hand, on my waist - and so allows for fast dispatching, and the fish can be quickly thread onto the mono to act as a fish attractor, camouflage & scent trail (I have mixed feelings about waist stringers but it's what I am currently using - not recommended for sharky waters, obviously). My float stringer's larger spike is used to kill large & hard headed fish, and to string them; I don't like to keep too many fish on my waist , as they also add weigh & drag.

* Seacsub Samurai knife sometimes available on ebay.co.uk (I think from a/the dive store in Paignton Devon, which also sometimes has very good deals on Seacsub spearo fins ;)).
 
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Hey Aaron,
There are a million ways to skin the cat and so much of what I see in this discussion is subjective. One repeative comment is a good dive knife is IMPORTANT. In my many years of diving and manufacturing experiance I've had a chance to try many different types/manufactures/materials. I would recommend that you don't go cheap. "La barrata sale caro" is a favorite Mexican saying. "The cheap is costly" is the translation. Look at a titianium which will never need servicing and keeps its edge indefinately as long as you are reasonably careful. When you need that edge, it will be there for you.
Dale Cote also used a well thought out knife strap that I'll share with you. By using it you will never lose your knife and therefore spend much less in the long run. The strap is made from a lengh of bicycle inner tube cut to your requirements and wraps around the handle of the knife. When the knife is in the sheath the wrist strap is stretched over the handle and pulls/keeps your knife in place in the sheath.
I just checked the blade sharpness and it is perfect. I never wash down my equipment.
Simple and effective.
 
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Also just for the record; I no longer work for Scubapro and don't like "the suits" now. During the Bonin years it was the best.
There is a lot of really good information/recommendations here in DB that I read. This titanium knife was free at the time and I'm not suggesting that you buy from any specific source.
Everything that I use is modified by and for me and just inherent in the engineer side of me.
 
Hey Aaron,
There are a million ways to skin the cat and so much of what I see in this discussion is subjective. One repeative comment is a good dive knife is IMPORTANT. In my many years of diving and manufacturing experiance I've had a chance to try many different types/manufactures/materials. I would recommend that you don't go cheap. "La barrata sale caro" is a favorite Mexican saying. "The cheap is costly" is the translation. ...
Good post Mark. Just for the sake of debate, quite a lot of spearo's argue that a cheap knife is the way to go (actually, you can get knives that are both cheap and good but let's not get into that just now) - it seems you always loose good/expensive knives but rarely the cheap ones. You're less likely to take dangerous risks to keep/recover a cheap knife. One forum member, Spearo Dave (of Spearguns by Spearo uk ltd finest supplier of speargun, monofins, speargun and freediving equipment), recommended the use of inexpensive Kitchen Devil kitchen knives (and he sells proper spearo knives!) - which are often (but not always) sharp or sharpen-able.

Perhaps, the maintaining of a sharp edge and point are key things, regardless of the knife chosen. A point is desirable/essential feature for dispatching fish quickly & cleanly - I reckon those little Omer daggers should be good for that (& gutting), but a spike it probably the ultimate dispatcher, such as a dedicated iki-jimi spike or stringer spike (good examples of both are available from RobAllen.co.za).

A sharp knife - perhaps with some serrations - is useful for gutting fish (I wouldn't expect to fillet a fish with a dive knife though - that's best left to specialised filleting knife), be-heading fish perhaps and emergency release such as cutting through net, rope, monofilament/dyneema/kevlar(perish the thought). There is quite a debate about the benefits of a sharp blade vs. a serrated blade, I think both have their uses, so perhaps having both is the way to go. Some serrations are better than others, my cheap spearo dagger has rather shallow serrations on the back, so I "re-cut" them from time-to-time with a triangular file. Some knives, such as some Ka-bar combat knives, have excellent, very sharp, aggressive serrations at the bottom of the main blade. Most dive knives have something in between.

There is something to be said for keeping the overall weight of your gear low, if you walk-in to beaches and bays, as I do. OMD (RIP) was a big fan of his Titanium knife (similar design to the small Omer daggers). Titanium is light and does not corrode in sea water but can be expensive.
 
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Thanks for the reply Mr. X. Yes, I too have lost my fair share of knives and at the time they were essentially free but costly knives. However I really recommend a knife that has a stretch wrist lanyard that has the dual purpose of wrist lanyard and can retain the knife in the scabbard. Hence the Dale Cote lanyard.
I like a hilt on a knife because the last person that I want to cut underwater is me during a slip of the hand. I have seen buddies use paring knives but never seen one with a hilt.
Titanium is my material of choice for a knife soley because of it's sharpness and lack of required maintenance. Any other material will used in salt water and eventually dull the edge. That being said, a good file will maintain any knifes' sharpness for that unexpected need. Titanium as you probably know is hardened at the surface of the metal with the interior relatively soft and therefore is just sharpened on one side of the blade and not from both sides.
There are always many ways to accomplish the task and my post was just an alternative opinion. A good value is in the mind of the buyer. Sometimes that buyer will change his opinion at a later date. It also seemed that Aaron was not a seasoned diver because he had not developed a place that he liked to carry his knife.
I'm not comfortable with the calf as a location and have tried a few others. I kind of like the weight belt but my personal preference is on the front of my leg so that when I have the catch in my arms, and between my bent legs, it's close to my reach. Again my personal preference for blue water hunting.
I also don't use wire cable or Arimid/Kevlar fiber for my shooting line or reel line. When I started fishing,everyone was using stainless steel cable. I have seen one speargun manufacturer use Kevlar for a shooting line. It is extremely hard to cut but does a great job sawing flesh which again in my opinion is not good for landing fish or the diver.
 
I like the dual purpose stretch lanyard idea - most dive sheaths have very poor retention (or poor retention under some conditions).

I guess I used a similar lanyard set-up on my last home-made iki-jimi spike (although I lost it while untangling a large mullet & line in dense weed - obviously didn't put the lanyard round my wrist:duh). The spike had doubled 3mm bungee cord holding the spike against my weight-belt & attaching it to its small metal-tube sheath.

My calf-mounted knife is attached to the sheath by a short length of bungee & coiled 30-40lb mono, tucked behind the sheath - not perfect but it occasionally helps avoid loosing the darn thing.

By hilt, I assume you mean guard (or [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quillons"]quillons[/ame]). Yes definitely, I prefer a decent guard - surprising how many knives do not have one :(.
 
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Seems the Brits have been making swords and knives for quite a while. I stand corrected. Crossguard or quillion would be the dictionary definition. Hilt is defined as the handle.
Anyway, I like a cross guard as a good place to push with my thumb when making the kill and not slip towards the blade when thrusting.

Just a question: Why are pen names used here? Is there something that I'm missing?
 
Has anyone tried the Fury Extreme or Fury Treasure 2 dive knives for dispatching fish? They are very cheap and seem sharp.
 
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