7th Coupe de Dauphin

[Jorg]

Here a very fast message, because I'm leaving in 3 minutes! In an hour or so there will be an automated post on Shark Freediving about this big pool competition in Geneve, Switzerland with some excellent freedivers.

I've set up something special for this weekend with the use of twitter (for who knows the service). I’ll be twittering all the latest info, including pictures, to my twitterfeed which you can find by going to my personal website and looking at the right collumn, or by directly visiting the feed itself on twitter. If you’re familiar with twitter and have your own account over there you can follow me and even ask questions directly to me at the competition. You have a question for a competitor like William Winram? Just ask me and I let the person reply by himself!

Jorg Jansen
Twitter / jorgjansen

 

[BennyB]

Any updates from the comp?

 

[fcallagy]

Google Docs - 7th Coupe des Dauphin

Hope the link above works but you may have already seen it not on twiiter but thats where jorg seems to be doing the updates.

 

[H.Balázs]

Hi Benny,

Here are the results:

Ranking by Disciplin :: Freedive Central

Best regards,

Balazs

 

[fcallagy]

Well done Tim,
didn't even know you was going.

 

[BennyB]

Thanks guys.

Looks like some great results in there, though the DQ ratio seems a little high. Are people still working off the Christmas turkey?

What was the judging like with the pulling rule, I heard there was a couple of penalties given out for this, possibly a bit higher than the norm. Not accusing the judges of anything untoward, just curious as to whether people are generally not understanding the rule, understanding the rule but doing it anyway (forgetting it or is a sign of impending LMC/BO) or the rule is being applied to the letter of the Regulations by the judges.

BIG jump in dynamic for Tim M, well done mate!

Cheers,
Ben

 

[Sanne Buurma]

On my behalf a penalty was given to me in the matter of pulling with my DNF performance.

7.8.3
If the athlete pulls or propels him/herself on a support point (wall, line, bottom, etc.) before the exit of his/her mouth or nose, a penalty of 10 POINTS is applied.

I reviewed the video and thought that I touched the edge with my hand when my mouth was already above the surface. Although it was in a very small time frame, I can see why they penalized me.

In my DYN performance a did everthing to stay clear from the wall to not encounter the penalty twice :naughty check the picture here

I'm still working on that video, so I'll put it online tonight.

 

[osusim]

If you mouth was still underwater at the moment of pulling the penalty is applied OR If you nose was still underwater at the moment of pulling the penalty is applied.
1 OR 1 = 1 (penalty)
1 OR 0 = 1
0 OR 1 = 1
0 OR O = 0 (no penalty)
school math I guess, nothing wrong with rules. Video can show what really happen.

 

[Sanne Buurma]

In either case, I care more about my performance being the distance I wanted.

So on my end I'll have to be more careful with my surfacing that judges shouldn't have to hesitate , like I did with my DYN rofl

 

[Sanne Buurma]

Here's the video from our Video-channel
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upGL3MCo1tM]YouTube - 20080126-DNF Coupe Dauphins Geneva[/ame]

I only lay down my hand on the edge and do not pull or propel myself in any way by doing so... (plus laying down and mouth surfacing is done within 0,16s)

I remember stig having a same protest against him with his WR last year
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjK_aU3af_I]YouTube - AIDA World Championships 2007 - DNF Finals (Men)[/ame]

Touching wall, edge or line is not pulling or propelling.

 

[Kars]

Nice Dive Sanne! You really improved your technique much!

Yep you do not pull, but rather rest your arm on the wall before you mouth is up. Indeed Stig did the same thing. And indeed it show's subjectivity in judgeing. Maybe the rules should be more clear and for instance state that upward pulling, lifting!, is allowed.

Another could be that when 'lifting' is case, the bodypart that surfaces first is indicative of the distance to be measured.
Yep at these times' the Stig freediving rule set is becomming more attractive.

Anyway it's a nice dive, and pretty fast as wel!

See you down in the pool later today.

Kars

 

[wolleneugebauer]

stupid rules.
10 pt = 20m DYN or 10m CW or near 1 min STA...
stupid, stupid, stupid!

see my "mistake" last year: www.freedivers.info (video 5)

 

[Sanne Buurma]

stupid rules.
10 pt = 20m DYN or 10m CW or near 1 min STA...
stupid, stupid, stupid!

see my "mistake" last year: :: freedivers.info wolle neugebauer's freediving page (video 5)

Wow I forgot that the penalized points eqaul such a large chunk of the performance... :hungover

BTW Nice performance wolleneugebauer

 

[BennyB]

I hope the pulling rule gets revised in the future. Firstly, I think there's a difference between "touching" and "propelling". Secondly, a 20m penalty from obtaining a maximum gain of 1m is way over the top.


Cheers,
Ben

 

[Kimmo]

Hi,

Sorry my stupid question: what have we done so far to change this rule to work better for us? Although I have not seen the becoming rules but the rules can be changed if we want to and if we are willing to work for it. And I know it

 

[osusim]

At the moment not possible to install a pressure measuring devise at every inch of pool's wall. So, showing of the pooling to judges is the same as showing BO to judges. Nobody will ask was it real or a coincidence simulation.

There is a dilemma - should I gain extra 0.5 m by horizontal movement with high risk of penalty or make secure SP but a bit shorter.

Sanne, success with you real target - 110m DNF.

 

[AltSaint]

Tim, I know this is a bit late as I'll be seeing you at the pool in about an hour....but well done anyway. Same goes for Anna VB - good tactics as well.

 

[Sanne Buurma]

Hi,

Sorry my stupid question: what have we done so far to change this rule to work better for us? Although I have not seen the becoming rules but the rules can be changed if we want to and if we are willing to work for it. And I know it

I think that ain't such a stupid question. I also think the penalty way out of proportion.

 

[Kars]

Indeed Sanne you touch upon one important aspect of rules, the penalties. They seem often much out of proportion.

On the other side the amount of regulation and it's expansion has grown over the years. Improvements have been made, granted, but with these exemples I often feel that things have drifted to far away from the basics.

Freediving is in my opion a not an exercise in style, but rather a basic quest for depth distance and time.

I know Stig is activly working on this subject as wel. He would love to have very simple rules. A while ago he made this paper with his alternative rules: http://members.home.nl/kars/AIDA-Reg-Modifications-Stig07.doc

Love, Courage and water,

Kars

 

[Haydn]

What a stupid rule. If the judges can see you have infringed it, they can also see how much distance you have gained. Why cant they just knock off the metre you pulled? It seems that if youy are swimming alongside a wall to your left, you will naturally reach it with your left hand and then pull your body around your hand before your right shoulder can reach the wall. Of course you gain 2 or 3 feet, just the width of your shoulders etc.
I guess the pulling rule also works from under the water when you reach vertically for the wall or trough and pull your head up, rather than swim up the last 2 feet.

Any distance gained is too minimal. Not only is in undeserving of such a rediculous penalty, it is also undeserving of forcing such a protocol upon the competitor. It also penalises the competitor who swims against the wall unfairly compared to the one in the middle of the pool. Although, to balance this, the swimmer without the wall, has a much harder job to find the rope to rest on, while doing his protocols.

Surely the rule should be dispensed with simply by marking the point which the hand or airway surfaces first, whichever is the shorter. This lets the athlete concentrate on breathing before worrying about protocols. Rather than worrying about protocols, then breathing, then more protocols.

The Dolphin comp was the best comp I ever attended (some years ago). Was this comp under Aida rules this time? When I attended it wasnt.

Cant wait to get involved again.