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8:52 personal best experience

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8:52 STA personal best experience

This is my first post and I would like to explain my static apnea experience that I had.
I am seventeen years old, and live in Denver (5300' above sea level) and last night I held my breath for 8:52 and though you all might like to hear about and comment on my experience.
I started by laying down on my bed and beginning by usual breathing practice. On my last attempt, my routine consisted of slow breathing moderately deeper than normal for five minutes. This time, I decided to extend my routine for ten minutes to see the results. Laying on my bed motionless I concentrated on my breathing. After ten minutes, I took one final deep breath and started timing myself. Because of my breathing routine, my blood was holding all the oxygen it could, and I knew this because there were slight tingles in my fingers and face. Because this type of thing is a battle between the body and the mind, every time I started to wonder what time I was at, I would lie to myself and think 'you're not past one minute yet' and this was to trick myself to keep going. Well, when the tingles left my face I opened my eyes and lookes at my watch, 3:26 it read and I felt fine. I closed my eyes again and focused on the white noise in my room (I had turned on a fan so that I could focus on the noise and not breathing). When I felt my first contraction, I looked at my watch again, 5:02. The beginning contractions began slow, about one every ten seconds, and increased in frequencey to about one every two seconds, with a time of about 7:30 (I don't know exactly because I didn't look at my watch). At about 7:45, the contractions were so strong that although I was trying as hard as I could, small ammounts of air were being forced out, and I had to pinch my nose shut to stop it. After this, the contractions seemed to either slow in frequency or they became one long contraction, I can't remember which because I was focusing on not thinking about the contractions. Either way, it seemed to get easier past 7:45 and the last glance at my watch was at 8:37, and after that I was focusing on my walls looking for signs of my vision fading before I black out. I guess I was concentrating too much on my vision, and not enough on trying not to breath when without warning, I exhaled and nearly lost consciousness. I opened my eyes and stopped my watch, 8:52.49. As I began to breath normally again, I thought my watch was wrong, but the other clock in my room confirmed that it wasn't. I just couldn't believe that I could hold my breath for that long.

I you are still reading through this long post, I would like to know your thoughts on this, and I would especially appriciate any tips or techniques that can help my reach a better time. I really don't know a whole lot on static apnea (I'm just a kid who likes swimming with his friends) but I would like to be able to do it better. Thank you for your time and for your comments.
 
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Well, in my own experience it sounds like you made 8'37" at least, but given that you 'woke up' and stopped your watch, many seconds might have passed since the end of the breath-hold even without realizing it.

Nevertheless, if your story is true it is one of the longest breath-holds ever, and it is probably the longest breath-hold in history without packing.

Longest wet breath-holds:
1. Tom Sietas 10'08"
2. Stig Severinsen 8'48"
3. Karl Pernett 8'48"
4. Kristian Curavic 8'32"
5. Timo Kinnunen 8'29"
6. Stephan Mifsud 8'28"
7. Herbert Nitsch 8'27"
8. Alejandro Ravelo 8'25"

Doing dry breath-holds has a greater potential for time. This is because
1. your skin breathes (and transfers oxygen)
2. air diffuses into the sinuses (unless you use a nose clip)

However if you try a wet breath-hold, make sure you have a trained buddy who watches you at all times and knows what to do in case of a black out.
 
i'm sure that Stephane must have done WAY more than 8.28 in training. he MUST have gone over 9mins considering how he looked after his performance in Monaco. it wouldnt surprise me at all if he has also done 10mins, or close to it.

it's funny how only 2-3 years ago 8mins was a really big deal, now more and more people have done it. once one person does it, others realise it's possible and make the same leap forward. 9mins is the new 8mins. :D
 
Alun,

Believe it or not, Mifsud doesn't seem to have done big times in training.

When he did his 8'24" WR, I asked him what his training pb was, and he said that THAT was his pb, and I asked him how much he thought he might have in him; he said maybe 8'45". Of course he is one of those guys who never gets contractions.

In Monaco, I watched Mifsud do his max static on the oximeter, the day before the competition. He did 7'15", and his min saturation was 56%, pretty low, and his recovery was hard. The next day it seemed he had 9'15" in him....

After the competition in Monaco we asked Mifsud why he didn't break the 8'58" record... his response was 'it wasn't in my head.'

Of course, speculation was rampant, since anything over 8'58" would have also required a doping test, but each person can make his own judgement.

Further, the promo video shown at the banquet promoted only Mifsud, and none of the other athletes, as if somehow the organizers knew in advance! Another weird thing was that Mifsud, in his last two statics of the comp (7'28" and 8'28"), took a few steps backward right before he started clapping. At first I thought nothing of it, then I realized that because of the edge of the pool, the prince didn't have a good view, unless Mifsud moved back about a meter or two. I don't know about you, but as I pass 7'00" I'm not really thinking about things like that, unless it was planned long in advance.

Last but not least, there was the issue about Tom's non-invitation. If you think about that for a second, then think about what a duel between the two of them would imply, and think about what I said above, you'll do the math and realize that there may be more going on than meets the eye.

Nevertheless, no one was in a complaining mood, since the crowd loved it, and Mifsud's spectacle did wonders to make static an exciting event.

To all the athletes attending, the most important thing was to make it a good show, so that sponsorship would be there for next year.
 
Wow, Mifsud should better clean his image unless he won't be invited to next year's competition with all these rumours around.

(This is not aimed at Mifsud but to who ever is the mysterious hand that is responsible for Tom not being there).
 
I am glad that you pointed out the possibility of a blackout in your reply. I had also considered that as well and I have been telling myself that there is a possibility that I had passed out and I have been telling my friends that it was 8:37. I know it was at least 8:37 but I cannot confirm how long past that. My eyes were open past 8:37 watching for signs of passing out, but at the very end, I was either on the very edge of passing out or I actually did for about a second. My eyes were open until the end, but right as I exhaled, my eyes shut and I felt my arms fall (possibly go limp) and right as they did this (almost at the same time), I thought to myself 'wait, there was something I was supposed to do when I exhaled, oh yeah, stop the watch' it was then that I opened my eyes and stopped timing. I do not think I passed out because I remember everything, but it is a possibility. Also I realise that I can't say for a certainty that I passed 8:37 but I know it was at least that much. Thanks for your posts and I would like any information on how to achieve a better time.
 
Eric

Concerning IWC

Where the athletes watched before their breathholds?
Anyone sneaking of to the loo some ten minutes before their breathold?

I hate to ask this question - but it intrests me.

In Aida rules the athletes shall be supervised (be in view) during the 45 minutes up to the TOP.

Sebastian
Sweden

PS. Denver guy (your name?) When I have two contractions every second I am very close to the end of the breathhold. When I cannot hold my breath (small amounts of air are forced out) then my diafragma is failing (LMC) and I am closer than 15 secs from a BO. From those breathholds I remember nothing (memory functions are often shut down).
Denver Guy - from where comes your will power. How have you learnt to hold your breath for that long?
 
Sebastian,

There was no supervision of the athletes.

Stig spent the entire rest time between round 1 & 2 in the hot shower in the changing room. To make things worse, we each had our own private cubicle/changing room, where we could do whatever we wanted between rounds, out of sight of anyone.

However, I was too busy with my own preparations to watch the other athletes and see who disappeared between rounds.
 
Unbelievable.

AIM-54C you should be happy you didn't pass AWAY.
Please make sure you have a trained buddy even if you try again DRY apnea.

Eric I have a couple of questions for you.

What happens if the day before the competition someone gets into a hyperbaric chamber and breathe pressurized oxygen for a while? How long will the effect last?
Do you trust who puts the interests of the sponsor ahead of those of the athletes?

Don't you think that this freediving look more and more like wrestling? Is this you want for freediving?

Best,

Joefox
 
Hi

1. Tom Sietas 10'08"
2. Karl Pernett 8'48"
3. Kristian Curavic 8'32"
4. Timo Kinnunen 8'29"
5. Stephan Mifsud 8'28"
6. Herbert Nitsch 8'27"
7. Alejandro Ravelo 8'25"
8. Martin Štìpánek 8'15"
9. Stig Severinsen 8'10"
10. Dominique Ventzke 8'07"
--. Sebastien Murat ?'??"

...is there more athletes over 8 in training?

...in water, of course!

The info i've got is that Stigs 8'48" was just to "boost" the pre-competition before Monaco, and not real. :rcard

/B

ps. the hyperbaric chamber effect will go away in the warm-up, with-out (static)warm-up the effect can be there for 4-5 hours. (I've done this in NZ)
 
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Our friend Dr. Malpieri say's a lot of things... most of them are normaly true.

...when he say last for more than 5h. ....last for doing what? In Monaco you have many long breath-holds after each other, and with warm-up's where the athletes already push the contractions.

The only thing that will make the chamber-effect last longer is if you keep breathe pure O2 when you leave the chamber(in interval's, of course)

/B
 
Malpieri is a Professor.... and knows what he says much better than you and me. He might be right, he might be wrong, but he's still a scientist who has made important researches on many spearfishers and freedivers. He's the one who succesfully treated world athletes like Marco Bardi, Alberto March and many many others, and he's also treating athletes spitting blood.

In other words, you are not the one (nor am I) who can say what's true and what's false in Malpieri's thoughts about freediving physiology.

Joefox
 
Sounds like you really hyper ventilated there buddy, if the "tingles" on your face went away at 3 mins then that actually means that your CO2 concentration was extremely low...

If you try this on a pool be VERY sure to have a buddy watching you and actually dipping his head down every minute or so to check up on you since hyperventilation increases the chance of blackout in a way that you wouldn't imagine.

I congratulate you on your breath hold, may I ask what was your personal best before you did 8 mins?
 
Re: 8:52 STA personal best experience

AIM-54C said:
This is my first post and I would like to explain my static apnea experience that I had.
I am seventeen years old, and live in Denver (5300' above sea level) and last night I held my breath for 8:52 and though you all might like to hear about and comment on my experience.
I you are still reading through this long post, I would like to know your thoughts on this, and I would especially appriciate any tips or techniques that can help my reach a better time. I really don't know a whole lot on static apnea (I'm just a kid who likes swimming with his friends) but I would like to be able to do it better. Thank you for your time and for your comments.

I was wondering why you chose your name... The AIM-54C was an improved Phoenix missile with special features to better counter tactical aircraft and cruise missiles.
Are you weapon-mad too? :D

You should practice your breath holds with supervision.. take care and ... well done! Keep up your practice.. perhaps we'll see you at the next world statics... start stepping aside guys! ;)
 
Mr. Volpe

Just because Malpieri is a professor it dosen't say that he know and test everything. Prof. Malpieri is one of maybe 30 professors that doing adv. tests on apnea... and maybe one of the better one, but I have personally done this tests in a chamber and to say that you will have any big "apnea effect" from a chamber treatment after 5 hours, without oxygene between, is a loooong shot. ...but of course, maybe there is a small, small diff from person to person.

Will you come to the AIDA championships this year, Giorgio?

/B
 
joefox said:
Malpieri is a Professor.... and knows what he says much better than you and me. In other words, you are not the one (nor am I) who can say what's true and what's false in Malpieri's thoughts about freediving physiology.Joefox
"Professor" is just a word. Scientists deal with theories that are true until proven untrue. There are so many factors involved in what we do that they can vary in nearly uncountable ways. Not even in a good laboratory supervised by a analytic mind (whatever title they have) is it possible to be totally sure that one factor has been isolated.
There are intresting studies being done that are not linked to any university. Many of us here have drawn conclusions that have scientific value. E. Fattah for instance has presented a few theories that has scientific value (they would have even more value if he separated the scientist and the guineapig:)

Sebastian
Sweden
 
Re: 8:52 STA personal best experience

Hi everyone,

It's very nice to join this highly open mind group of people. My first thought when I read the post was, "everybody is goint to bury this guy". But my surprise, almost everyone reach the post with an open mind.

About the 8' 52'' I'll try your aproach on my static to see how if it helps me with my times. I'm always having problems with concentration, I think the fan idea is good.

Take Care and congratulations,
Sigi...
 
jpelorat said:
...highly open mind group of people. My first thought when I read the post was, "everybody is goint to bury this guy". But my surprise, almost everyone reach the post with an open mind.
I have such an open mind that I am still contemplating the accuracy in this Denver guys story. Very articulate for being 17 he is. And according to what he says I think he should have blacked out at 7.45. And still he hasn´t introduced himself or mentioned his background, lung capacity, diet before the breathhold e t c. And above all - we all know what breathholding does to us in the end - memory loss - blackouts that resemble dreams e t c - timing yourself is not always accurate. To "quote" another deeperblue breathholder that held her breath 6 minutes when the WR was less; "it felt like six minutes"...

Anyhow - this missile youngster should find some serious training partners and give the US team a boost

Sebastian
..who this morning at last got the PH right (I think) and did a water PB with the most perfect surface protocoll ever done in history (as I remembered it at least :)
 
Sebastian,

I do read also what you write, I whish you could understand italian and have a look at what italians do and think.
I realized you are the kind of guy who sometimes asks the right questions. You should go on and find the answers to your questions... and then look for more questions you should ask yourself.

For example, you seem to wonder why AIDA is not part of the IOC and why the WADA is taken into account by AIDA just for the list of substances not for the antidoping procedures. There are many more interesting and crucial questions that you should ask yourself...
As for Malpieri, he's also been a spearfisher for 40 years. I tend to believe more Malpieri than Bill, will all the respect I see that there are methods used in AIDA comps that here in Italy are considered dangerous by several researchers, including Malpieri (one of them, Prof. Ferruccio Chiesa, is working on the Blue 2005 project along with Apnea Academy and the Italian CNR -National Research Center, a public institution).

Anyway, maybe AIM54c was testing this article?

http://www.apneamania.com/code/training_sel.asp?catID=1&tipID=1

Joefox
 
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