Ab Biller Help

[fbksurferjoe]

Hello everyone i am new to the Spearfishing world. I purchased an Ab Biller 36 Aluminum, along with a Biller reel and have no idea how to rig it up. I read the forum on rigging for beginners and it was nothing like the spear gun i have. Mainly that i have a slide ring and the one on the post had a hole in the back of the spear. So my question is does anyone have any advice on how i should rig this or is familiar with the gun that i am using, and remember i am a newb so use simple terms .
Thx
-Joe

 

[spaghetti]

Sorry, no AB Billers in my country. But if your gun has a slide ring on the shaft, I assume that you must tie one end of the line to the ring, and the other to the muzzle. (that's what I normally do on the guns with a slide ring on the shaft).
Can't help more than this. Cheers.

 

[fbksurferjoe]

Ok yes i understand i am connecting to the slide ring but i have read a few things about making it breakable so i can pull it straight through the fish or replacing my spear if it got bent or something. Not only that but i have the reel too. I think that i am going to connect it the same as everyone else just use the slide ring connection instead of the hole in the spear. But with the slide ring it will be at the opposite end of the spear so it wont be exactly the same. Thus you see where i get confused with the whole thing.

 

[spaghetti]

Well, still talking in abstract (I don't know how your Biller is made exactly), I just think it will be enough to tie one end of the line to the slide ring, while the other end must be attached to the line that comes out of the reel.
Maybe some Biller users will give you more proper tips, but by now this makes sense to me.
Be lucky

 

[fbksurferjoe]

ok cool yah i get what you are sayin

 

[Ron S]

You have two options if you want to be able to detach the line from the spear, once the reel is loaded with line and mounted to the gun. The first is to tie a good snap swivel to the end of the line, then attach the snap to the slide ring. Then you would load the spear, and wrap the line once or twice around the line release and the hook on the muzzle. This way, you use the reel line as your "shooting line".
The second alternative is if you want something like mono as your shooting line. For this, you would crimp the mono to the slide ring, then wrap one or (probably two), wraps on the gun, then crimp a loop into the end of the mono. The snap swivel attached to the end of the reel line would then be attached to the loop in the end of the mono.
I hope this make some sense.
Ron.

 

[fbksurferjoe]

Bro! thx so much i think i am going to do the mono route the only other question i had was should i run the reel line through the small hole at the muzzle of the gun, then back to attach to the shooting line as it travels back to the line release? or is that gonna cause to much friction?

 

[Ron S]

The problem with running the line through the hole in the stock Biller muzzle is that the hole is perpendicular to the barrel, and yes, it will cause some additional friction. If I'm not mistaken, either Biller or Spearfishing Specialties sells a kind of eyelet to install at the end of the barrel for the reel line. However, a lot of folks prefer not to run the line through any kind of eye on the barrel. I'd try it that way first, see how you like it.
Ron

 

[fbksurferjoe]

I figured it would be a bad idea just wanted to make sure. I had one more question on if there is supposed to be a line tied off to the gun somewhere. It seems to me that the reel is taking all the load, and if it were to fail you would want it tied off to the gun somewhere. I may just be over thinking it, let me know.
-Joe

 

[Ron S]

The short answer is no. The line is attached to the spool of the reel and the reel is securely attached to the gun. That's why it's important to select a reel with a large enough capacity of line to reduce the chance of "getting spooled" under your typical hunting conditions. Some folks go so far as to use a floatline attached to the gun in addition to the reel, just for an added measure of safety.
Ron.

I figured it would be a bad idea just wanted to make sure. I had one more question on if there is supposed to be a line tied off to the gun somewhere. It seems to me that the reel is taking all the load, and if it were to fail you would want it tied off to the gun somewhere. I may just be over thinking it, let me know.
-Joe

 

[fbksurferjoe]

Right on, sounds like i got everything straightened out. Do you have any preference on mono? Is there a certain brand i should stick with or stay away from?

 

[Ron S]

I know there are different types and qualities of mono, but I don't know what they are. I've been buying mine from hammerheadmuzzles.com. On my sea hornet I've been using 300#, but a lot of folks prefer 400#. You can order what's called an "attack pack" from hammerhead that includes mono and crimps. A good saltwater tackle store should also sell heavy mono and crimps, if there's one near you. If you don't already have one, you really need to invest in a good crimping tool, which will run you about $40, to properly close the crimps onto the mono. I've tried it with various pliers, and it just doesn't work correctly. If you try the plier route, the crimp will eventually cut the mono, probably when you've shot the best fish of your life. I'm sure there are some good threads on this board showing how to rig with mono.

 

[fbksurferjoe]

Yah ive rigged up some mono before and i read a little on the site, pretty self explanatory with the crimps and crimpers. Thx for the site i think ill prob purchase some off of it. Thank you to all who helped me i understand how to rig it up and am going out next week for some hunting. I am a scuba diver though so i will be cheating a little bit . Plus it is still lobster season so hopefully i will come up with some bugs like the 7 i caught 2 days ago.
Ill update everyone with some pics next week if i get anything good.
-Joe