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An open letter to db regarding blue fin tuna

Thread Status: Hello , There was no answer in this thread for more than 60 days.
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devondave

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Guys, I've no wish to restart the tuna debate and stir things up, but I've been sitting on an email received from DEFRA.
I think it is only fair to post the email so db members can make-up their own minds about it.

First let me go back a bit, two days before the F.O.M. poll was due to open, the question was raised directly ' is Brett's tuna legal or not'.
As the mod' responsible for F.O.M. it fell to me to try and find out.
DEFRA were not clear-cut about it, but they were not happy and would have liked for us to remove the tuna from the forum.
They also said a press-release was imminent and that would clarify the situation.
A call to the southern fisheries board was more straight forward, yes the fish was legal, however, they also were not happy and wanted db to post a policy statement asking members not to target blue fins.

So that was the situation, one body saying legal, one not being able to say illegal.
If it's legal, then it's in, and of course it won, probably the best fish ever entered into F.O.M. and yes I was the first person to vote for it.

Two hours after the poll opened, I got an email from DEFRA, this was their definitive statement on the matter.
The email was not passed on because I did not want the poll prejudiced in any way, as far as we could make out the fish was legal and that's that's.

I still don't think this is relevant to Brett's fish, which was a first and therefore can only set a precedent.
(By the way, I have much better things to do with my time than deal with all this rigmarole, so was definitely not trying to stir things.)
Here is the email word for word-

From the IUU officer,
Council reg 302/2009 covers authorisation for recreational fishing for BFT under article 12.
Since we do not issue such authorisations it is prohibited.
It is therefore irrelevant whether a vessel is used or what recreational method is employed.
Let me make this clear- there is no targeted commercial or recreational fishery allowed at all.
Commercial by-catches may be landed under strict conditions, by-catches in a recreational fishery may not be retained.
However, a spearfisherman might conceivably mistake a blue fin for an albacore, the key here is to make sure people know how to tell the difference.

So that's what came, if you think It should have been posted sooner, then I apologise, it was my decision to delay.
If you think the matter should never have been looked into in the first place, then again, I apologise, also my decision.

There we go, wheels within wheels, right, I'm off to makes Brett's Trophy, probably the most deserved one ever, but please guys, don't shoot any more, the hassle is enormous and they are very, very rare, not our fault I know, but every little helps.
 
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I'm off to makes Brett's Trophy, probably the most deserved one ever, but please guys, don't shoot any more, the hassle is enormous and they are very, very rare, not our fault I know, but every little helps.

Thats a bit of an oxymoron... the most deserved trophy but please do not shoot them????

I'll have to think that over for a while.... rofl

Hmmm, so if I see a 30kg bluefin I should not shoot it and steal Brett's FOY award :friday

Hmmm, that email only applies to the UK right :martial

Edit: actually... in all seriousness... I read that and understand it is not illegal to kill and keep in error... that said... is it actually illegally to knowingly target and hunt them?
 
Mate, as I said, for db members to make-up there own minds.
Whether this applies to Ireland or the Channel Isles, I've no idea.
I've no idea what an I.U.U officer is either or what powers he has.

As for the oxymoron thing, that's easy for me I'm bipolar.
I find it strange people can have only one opinion on a topic. :confused:
One thing is clear though, albacore are definitely on the menu. :p
 
Seriously, who cares. It's a once in a life-time fish. No-one's seen one before, I very much doubt anyone will see one again.

If they do, I for one bloody hope they shoot it.
 
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Dave, thank you for your hard work and time spent trying to sort this out!
I imagine there has been quite a bit of difficulty for the guys who run the forum trying to sort this one out...
I think it is very good that you have managed to get specific responses from the authorities, although I think it would be good to have a formal DB policy for future - in case of mistakenly shooting a bluefin ;)
I guess this is quite an emotive subject, I just hope people can share their differences of opinion respectfully :)
Personally if I saw a tuna, I doubt I could tell what sort of tuna it was! Mentally therefore, I probably would not want to shoot it. But put in the situation, fish on spear tip, I don't think I could even hesitate!!!
 
Dave, thanks for your addition to the bigger picture. What it does is serve to correlate with all I already knew from senior figures and connected stakeholders from the recreational fishing industry and angling media who have all been very happy on the whole with a tuna recreationally landed and confirmed. This was a good catch, not likely to be repeated soon, but should it happen then I wish the captor all the best.
 
the reason i ask dave is we have a recreational bluefin charter market here in ireland... yet i imagine we are governed by the same laws as uk... i.e. eu laws...

although our bluefin are larger and more established.... maybe weve just been dealing with the eu for longer but its all a bit confusing there...
 
Dear IUU officer,

Since the letter is open, I can reply to it.
Council reg 302/2009 covers authorisation for recreational fishing for BFT under article 12.

I struggled to find this regulation. There is certainly no link to it on DEFRA webpage.
There is also no mention of BFT on DEFRA "marine species protection" page:
Protecting marine species « Defra

The only mention of BFT on DEFRA webpage is here:
http://archive.defra.gov.uk/foodfarm/fisheries/documents/fisheries/minimumfishsizes.pdf
No reference to EC 302/2009 or authorisation or any prohibitions. Only MLS 6.4kg.

Thanks to google, I eventually found EC 302/2009 on:
http://www.doi.gov.mt/EN/Useful_info/No%20302%20-%202009.pdf

It is EU regulation intended for EU member states. It says:
Article 12
Recreational fisheries

1. Each Member State shall issue fishing authorisations to
vessels for the purpose of recreational fishing.

2. In the framework of recreational fisheries it shall be
prohibited to catch, retain on board, tranship and land more
than one individual bluefin tuna in each sea trip.

3. The marketing of bluefin tuna caught in recreational
fishing shall be prohibited except for charitable purposes.

4. Each Member State shall record catch data from recreational
fishing and communicate the data for the preceding year
to the Commission by 30 June each year. The Commission shall
forward that information to the Standing Committee on
Research and Statistics of ICCAT.

5. Each Member State shall take the necessary measures to
ensure, to the greatest extent possible, the release of bluefin
tuna caught alive, especially juveniles, in the framework of
recreational fishing.

So, dear officer, as this law refers to Member States, I would assume that it refers to DEFRA as a UK representative.

Perhaps you could enlighten us how DEFRA assures this article is implemented in our local bylaws. Just show us where this article is implemented (or even referred to) in UK bylaws or DEFRA regulations.
This would be really helpful as a future reference and it would clear any ambiguities about legality of spearing BFT.

Thank you.
 
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I'm no expert - but doesn't that basically mean 1 BFT on a trip is fine?
Doesn't it also only apply to fishing from boats?
 
they also were not happy and wanted db to post a policy statement asking members not to target blue fins.

Is making it FOM the way to discourage people from shooting them again?

One got landed by an Angler in Hayle I think so they are definatley around.
 
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