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Annabel Briseno's record under protest?

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I was just looking at the AIDA web site and saw the FI record set by Annabel was under protest. Anyone know what this is about? Just curious.
I know it was provisional pending Drug test results, but I didn't want to speculate.
Cheers,
-MB
 
MB
Let me say what I know about it since she's on vacation to see her brand new grand-daughter.
She made the dive. She came up clean. There was a problem with one of the required cameras.
Let me speculate for you. There may be film from a backup camera. The drug testing protocol may not have been followed (I will bet that she didn't fail a test).
There is one other problem that I can't remember. Since she is capable of repeating the dive on any Sunday, she will pursue any reasonable means of having it ratified, I think.
Aloha
Bill
 
It would be a real shame if the record is invalid just because the surface footage wasn't good enough. The bottom footage is good, and there are really no other possible violations you can make in FI. It's not like you can get DQ'd for grabbing the rope. :duh
So really it's only the video of the surfacing that would be at dispute. Her dive was clean, the judges gave a white card, even with using the new surface rules + being able to get DQ'd for the old Samba rule, so the hardest of both rules. (I totally disagree with the way CAFA and USAA use both rules.)
Given that it was a competition, one judge at A level (Instructor) + AIDA board member so high as you get why would anyone dispute this?
Plus there are dozens of witnesses as it was a comp. Even if you compared it to a record attempt, the new rules now give the judges on the spot the final decision, this makes having video evidence after the attempt less important.

I wonder has anyone (outside of the AIDA board) actually disputed a record by looking at video footage ?
I know a case where a world record had a definite violation on the video that would have been a DQ, that was called valid, no one ever disputed it. So then what's the use of the video apart from the AIDA board being able to look at it ?

Annabel's 75m FI still stands no matter what in the world rankings and the women's deepest ever official FI dive. It sounds totally ridiculas to have a valid competition result yet not be valid as a record.

Cheers,
Wal
 
Wal,
I agree that if a competition dive, or any competition performance, is counted for the rankings, it should be able to stand as a WR, but I seem to recall Tom Seitas doing a 9:24 static at the worlds last year, but it did not count as a WR because of the status of the event or some other rediculous reason.
-MB
 
MB,
I think the one you mean was a National record attempt in Canada, after the official static comp had finished. Tom actually DQ'd himself on purpose because he didn't want it to count as a national record since he was doing a WR attempt later that year.

Hi Balázs,
yes I did 156m no-fins in the Kona comp but was DQ'd. USAA followed CAFA by using both the new surface protocol plus kept the old samba rule. I came up with a slight shaking of my hands and arms. Knowing I would be DQ'd anyway I beat them to the punch and said "I'm not OK" therefore DQ'ing myself under the new rules too. :duh
Probably should have come up facing away from the judges and everything would have been sweet, well will know better next time.

I had only done about 155m clean in training, knew I could do more but didn't have much chance to find out. Was hard to get anyone to train with so only got to do about 3 max attempts before the comp. I could always do at least 150m even on a bad day though. I was definitely thinking about going for the 167m, but didn't know if I could make that distance. I decided to go for 150m then see how I felt and go for the 167m if I still had air left at the turn. It was a bit of all or nothing just go for a WR, so wasn't playing it safe. I didn't think I would make it but thought to give it a shot.

Tom's 175m is awesome, be pretty hard to beat for the rest of us mere mortals though.

Cheers,
Wal
 
Wal's 156m was awesome to watch and his samba was really minor. He had some additional personal stresses on the day that were significant for him making the effort even more impressive. As a buddy of mine you often forget the talent that your friends have amongst the joking and heckling of friendship, but he sure impressed the hell out of me that day and reminded me of what an incredible freediver he is.

respect
 
Remember another case. STig did 204 m Dynamics in Eindhoven a year ago and won the comp , but was invalid as a worldrecord for Samba reasons (video check by AIDA bobos)
 
I thought that AIDA gave full responsibility about validating the record to the judges on site this year. And in this case it has nothing to do with the dive itself, but no proof on video because it was filmed from 30 meters away or something like that, if I remember correctly from my days as an AIDA bobo...

Anyway, too bad that an athlete performance is being questioned because of a missing video. You would say that the word of 2 official aida judges should be enough to let it be a WR.
 
a similar case to annabel's is Stephane Misfud's static, where it wasn't allowed due to the video not showing his ok signal!!!
 
Well, showing an okay signal is part of the exit procedure, so in this case it was clear that he didn't fullfill all requirements for an good performance, how stupid it must sound to the spectators...

In my opinion it must all be as simple as possible without all these rules... if you can keep your head above water you've done the job... shaking, no okay, etc...
 
Wal,

Thanks, you are realy awesome
Good luck in the future, with such a many huge distance in DNF!

Regards, Balázs
 
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Yes, the only thing that Walter was missing was a good coach who could have talked him through the surfacing protocol. I didn't see any sign of samba. But he was too honest. I guess that is not a bad thing. It's too bad, bc Walter coached most the rest of us through our surfacing protocol, and we were all just standing around on the side of the pool watching when he surfaced. Regardless of whether it was formally validated, it was an impressive performance.

Andy and Wal there is talk of another comp in Hawaii this year. Are you guys planning on attending?
 
Hi Michael,

I think we all feel bad about Wal, I still can't believe we all watched and offered him nothing, especially me, my bad! (it was unconscionable )

This year would be tough but next year I'd be there for sure, what are the dates being thrown around?

If Annabel is going to give the records another go I'd really like to be there.
 
Hi Michael,
maybe stupitidy is a better word for it then honesty :duh
As for attending a comp in Hawaii (if there is one), as always it depends on money and being able to get time off work. Still it is the cheapest place for me to actually compete anywhere.
Michael, you couldn't make it to Switzerland/Nice ?
So far Deron seems to be the only US person going.

Cheers,
Wal
 
Wal and Andy,

Good to hear from you guys. Hope you are doing well. An Andy, if you need any fashion advice let me know. Just remember chicks dig polyester, I suggested imported polyester, only the finest from Italy.

In terms of US divers at Worlds, Deron and Tanya are the only ones in Switzerland, but in Nice, there will also be Theo Ivanovic, Julianna, and myself.

Talk to you guys soon I hope,
Michael.
 
Right, couldn't remember you only wanted to do constant. Still think it's stupid they have seperate indoor and constant comps, specially for a "World Championship". For example imagine Martin and Tom competing in Constant+Dynamic+Static, would be close, exciting. Martin far ahead in Constant, Tom in static. Then you could really say who is the "best" freediver.

Good luck Michael !
Make sure you remember to keep up the stretches and equalising exercises.

P.S. We have that photo of you on our website -
http://ozfreediving.com/forum/index.php?topic=17.15
We told everyone that photo was a famous training buddy of Jaques Mayol, taken in 1972, we were much to embarrassed to say it was taken in present time and that we know you rofl

Cheers,
Wal
 
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