Anyone have a metalic lining on their suit?

[Broseidon]

I'm just about to buy a new suit from Elios - and am considering the titanium finish which is meant to make the suit easier to put on.

Does anyone have an experience with metalic linings?

Are they easier to get on than open cell? Do they affect the warmth of the suit?

 

[Bill]

Yes for both your questions but not very much. Less difference than turning the new stretchy nylon suits inside out. I tried it for the last three suits but my new suit on order doesn't have it. You also give up a little flexibility.

 

[strangelove]

Debrovnik

heads up, I tried the metalic linings and it did not work for me (personal issue), it irritates my skin.

 

[jimy286]

Its not realy metalic tho it looks like it is. i love it and would not get one without.

It is the duks guts.

You have to be careful as its delicate putting on and off

 

[foxfish]

From my experience that type of lining does indeed make them easier to don but it is also prone to nicks.
I would prefer a nylon lined custom suit fro Elios or Diveskin.
Most people use smooth skin in side & nylon outside but some of us are now changing to nylon in & out.

 

[Aldan]

Elios is just working on mine and my wife's suits, which is going to be tailor made ones (for freediving optimized for swimming with hands up), Ecoline (the cheapest one), nylon outside, titanium inside. It has been recommended to us by friends as first freediving suit and also Elios guys suggested that for easier putting on (these guys are btw great and easy to communicate with). Since it is my first freediving suit, I am curious about it, so far we have used just 3mm longs from Bare.
What I have never understood fully is whether titanium inside allows wearing without watered-down conditioner or not... Can you enlighten me? Thanks...

BTW: One of my friends says that titanium sort of fades in time and after some time of using we will actually have open cell.

 

[samdive]

I've got the black coating in my suit - it does make it marginally easier to get on (I can get it on with talcum powder rather than soapy water) - but it doesn't last the life of the suit.

 

[Broseidon]

So, do people think the lining is worth getting?

 

[trux]

So, do people think the lining is worth getting?

Depends on the cost. If it is anbout the same as open cell, then it offers some slight advantage (especially at the beginning before it wears out) which may be worth of the little price difference. But as reported, it can also cause alergies or other skin problems, so if you have a history of alergies to metals, you better avoid it.

And if the lining is significantly more expensive than open cell, then it is up to you to decide whether the price difference is acceptable for the little advantage it may offer. We cannot decide that for you.

 

[Broseidon]

Depends on the cost. If it is anbout the same as open cell, then it offers some slight advantage (especially at the beginning before it wears out) which may be worth of the little price difference. But as reported, it can also cause alergies or other skin problems, so if you have a history of alergies to metals, you better avoid it.

And if the lining is significantly more expensive than open cell, then it is up to you to decide whether the price difference is acceptable for the little advantage it may offer. We cannot decide that for you.

Thanks trux - I'm buying an open cell suit for me, the metalic coated one is for my girlfriend who, being pretty weak, has always found it hard to get in and out of suits. The price difference is 30 Euros.

I've advised her to go for an open cell but she's convinced that she needs something else :hungover

I'm tempted just to get her a nylon / nylon as that should be pretty easy to get on and off and should be more resiliant to tugging!

 

[jimy286]

Always use lube for your suits.... easy to get on and off and moving around in the suit helps as you slip and slide

 

[foxfish]

Debrovnik, there are lots of discussion on db about this subject & thousands of words written, you could try the advanced search button?
Here is one quote fro Elios that I found ..
Got a reply from Elios

Hello,

Thank you in advance for this contact and about your indications, we can suggest you several solutions:

FIRST: You want a tailor made suit, thickness 5mm, to use for spearfishing & scubadiving, complete of jacket closed with hood incorporated + long john trousers.

SECOND: your preference are for:

- easy to wear (in this case the lining inside or coating inside will be the best)

- elasticity

- medium density rubber to use also for deep divings

- Color Camo

- not necessary the wrists and ankles seals because on tailor made suit will not have a lot or water inside and will be more easy to wear, more durable and also reversible! (can wear on both side)

OPTIONS:

1) Suit 5mm New Black coating cell inside / Camouflage Brown lining outside (see photo Carlos) neoprene Heiwa medium density Price Euro 249,00 (include chest pad and knee pads) this is Top-model for spearfishing and scuba-diving near the rocks, very very warmth, aderent to the body, elastic and good also for deep divings, but also very very slippery to get into. £193

2) Suit 5mm Smoothskin Black Camouflaged oneside (see photo Elios Camo) / Nylon elastic Green inside Neoprene Heiwa Price Euro 203,00 This is a new model, very elastic, easy to get into like a t-shirt, fast dry outside the water, more durable than unlined suits, low-water resistance and reversible (see photo 4). (you can use for freediving the smoothskin outside and for scuba-divings the lining outside) £157

3) NEW Suit 5mm nylon standard green olive inside / Camouflage Spearo lining outside (see photo New Mimetic) neoprene Ecoline soft density Price Euro 190,00 (include knee pads) Just arrived, this is an ultra soft rubber, comfortable, easy to wear like a t-shirt, very very durable and reversible. (can wear on both side) £147

4) Suit 5mm nylon elastic green inside / Camouflage Brown lining outside (see photo pesca 2) neoprene Heiwa medium density Price Euro 224,00 (include chest pad and knee pads) this is the best seller for spearfishing and scuba-diving near the rocks, elastic, ver comfortable, easy to get into, durable and reversible. (can wear on both side) £174



These are some of the better solutions for your needs, but if you want other informations or details, don't hesitate to contact us. In case of order:

- Previsional delivery date in about 30 days from the order

 

[Aldan]

I have received similar e-mail as mentioned by foxfish from Elios. As mentioned before, they are very open to really discuss what exactly you need. Just one note, today they say 40 days from the order. I have ordered five days ago and they promised to deliver tailor maid suits (two) during May.

Also I can recommend them because they are not blindly making suits by your measures, they check it and if anything seems to be uncommon in measures to them, they require re-measurment. I appreciate that they pay attention to details.

 

[azapa]

i recommend to always use the lube, be it a metal lined or open cell. I have no idea why people try to avoid this step. a well lubed suit slips perfectly into place, important if maybe you are using it for hands-over-head streamlined swiming.

i use about 10% conditioner and water. my body hair is beautifully soft as a result :girlie

 

[foxfish]

No need to lube inside a nylon lined suit, is there?

 

[azapa]

no foxy, i said metal or open cell. although even a tight old nylon lined may go on nicer with lube? the other tricks:
- have someone blow up your sleeves (blow air into the cuffs) this allows you to fit the sleeves nicely
- whilst in the water, open the cuffs and punch your hand up in the air, the water will fall through the suit and seat things nicely

 

[samdive]

I avoid using lube a) because I am allergic to just about everything I try and b) because filling your suit with water before getting into cold water just makes it colder. The talc trick works really well, no rash after diving and my suit is really warm. Generally when I take it off, most of it is still dry inside, even after a couple of hours in the water.

 

[azapa]

I avoid using lube a) because I am allergic to just about everything I try and b) because filling your suit with water before getting into cold water just makes it colder. The talc trick works really well, no rash after diving and my suit is really warm. Generally when I take it off, most of it is still dry inside, even after a couple of hours in the water.

what happens when you pee? (sorry, but wondering how the talc + pee combo does not make toxic glue)

have you tried a hot thermo of water and lube?

 

[trux]

what happens when you pee? (sorry, but wondering how the talc + pee combo does not make toxic glue)

have you tried a hot thermo of water and lube?

Perhaps not toxic, but it could make nice mortar

And although not directly toxic, it looks it poses some cancer risk for women. Sam, you may have a look at this thread: http://forums.deeperblue.com/freediving-science/73195-talcum-powder-poses-cancer-risk-women.html

BTW, Azapa, I see the first time your new avatar. Looks like you indeed definitely split your personality in two. Which of those two is the 51% freediver, and which the 49% spearo? I suppose it goes from left to right.

 

[samdive]

well no it's not pleasant when you pee..... but that does tend to stay in the legs and I take the suit OFF with a load of hot water.

I used to always put it on with a thermos of hot water but the water goes cold so quick, and then you've got cold water sloshing around in your suit for 2 hours, none at all is better. I also did have really bad problems with getting skin rashes every time I dived, to the extent that I'd have to take a few days off to let it heal before putting on my suit again - and the talc seems to have stopped that. I don't think I dive often enough to worry about cancer risks... and I use baby talc which surely is the safest??