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Ballistics of 7.1 vs 7.9mm spearshaft

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Anders

Halibut hunter
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I've been thinking of how to optimize my gear for when I hunt larger fish and would like the optimal spearshaft for my use. I'm planning to use 3*14 mm bands stretched to 3-3.5 times original length, and I'm thinking of getting two new spearshafts.
I'm leaning towards a 7.1 mm shaft for the general hunting and a 7.9 mm shaft for halibut hunting. For the general hunting I will be taking anything from horizontal to vertical shots, distances up to 5 meters I think. Halibut shots will likely be less than 5 meters distance, and if that far it'll be near vertical.
The reason for not using the same shaft is that i figured the 7.1 mm shaft will have a higher muzzle velocity and less time "in flight", meaning less vertical drop and giving better accuracy on long shots. I also figured the 7.9 mm shaft will have more "penetrating power" on the halibut shots where penetrating the fish is more of an issue than accuracy.

Am I right in my assumptions, is it the other way around, or does it not matter?

The thing that makes me uncertain is that I'll be using the same bands for both, which should give me identical force to power the shafts. My small amount of physics knowledge leads me to believe that if the forces that power the shafts are equal, this should give them equal force when leaving the gun (and for spearing the fish), but divided differently between speed and weight (force=speed*weight?). Then there should be no reason to use different shafts, just use the one that gives best accuracy on long horizontal shots (7.1 mm?).
 
Your first plan is good, I think. Most of my halibut diving was in 3 meter viz and all but two were only one meter from the tip. I like the 9 mm shaft. It doesn't bend easily but my technique was to plant a 5 prong between the eyes or in the spine if approaching from the rear. S. California fish may be smaller. Anything over 20 kilos is rare.
 
I'm using a 8mm shaft and 3x14mm bands on my Riffe #B (70cm midhandle) for close bottom fishing. it will go through anything it hits at the end of 2 wraps....

just rigged it with a breakaway as I'm trying for halibut out of my kayak this spring...
 
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Thanks for the replies, I may actually have gotten something right then ;)
Definitely 7.9 mm for the halibut, but I'm still not sure if i need the 7.1 mm shaft for the general hunting I do or if the 7.9 mm would be just as good, maybe even better...
 
Thanks for the replies, I may actually have gotten something right then ;)
Definitely 7.9 mm for the halibut, but I'm still not sure if i need the 7.1 mm shaft for the general hunting I do or if the 7.9 mm would be just as good, maybe even better...

If you are targeting fish which can be in the 100# plus range (Halibut)
use a Riffe in the islander range with 3 5/8 bands at 300% elongation
and a 3/8 shaft and SS cable rigged shaft and slip tip.
I would go with full brake away to a surface float.
I know you know how tough those big flatty's can be.;)
Cheers, Don Paul
 
One additional suggestion you may want to consider for the 7.9mm shaft is to get a threaded shaft with a screw-in double-barb spear tip.

The barbs for these speartips are closer to the tip, which means they will go through the halibut and engage before a regular shaft would.

This works best for regular size halibuts. You may want to go with Don Paul's break-away suggestion for the monster ones.

I have not targeted halibuts in specific, but I learned this lesson when shooting a large summer flounder 2 seasons ago in New England. The flounder was sitting on a rock... I shot too quickly and did not angle my shot (I was using a regular shaft). The barb did not go completely through the flounder and I lost the fish.

You may want to go with Don Paul's break-away suggestion for the monster ones.

Cheers,
Claudio
 
I think a double flopper speartip is preferable, especially one with short (~1") point and ~2" floppers. That way you get 4" of "holding power" on the back of the fish with only 3" of penetration. I plan to use a detachable one, preferably tri-cut if I can get it to have it penetrate better.
As Don Paul suggested I plan to rig the shaft and shooting line directly to the floatline through a breakaway setup. I tried the breakaway setup the last time, and it worked like a charm.

-Anders
 
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