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Janner

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Hiya Guys, after popping over to Guernsey a couple of times last year on the old mans charter boat and rod and line fishing for bream, bass and flatties. It got me wondering if any of you guys have tried diving some of the 15+meter reefs, as at times we were catching bream in 18m of water (im guessing the lines were fishing that deep roughly anyway?!). I know there was allot of tide in places but i have often wondered if you guys have ever had much success on these reefs?!

Cheers Ian
 
I cant think of anyone who has targeted bream on the ofshore reefs although I have taken Ed to a few where he caught some bass.
From my angle that is exactly what I would do "angle" great fun on light tackle & besides 15mts is far to deep for me.
I do see where you are coming from though, so many virgin reefs that could offer amazing potential.
 
hey janner, i'm hoping to get to some of the reefs this summer - not especially for bream though, started working on my breathhold already (needs to improve!) i was planning to use my yak as a platform, but that plan needs a bit of work... I'm also planning to get out there to fish with rods now that i have a drysuit on order...

Ian, you're always welcome to pop in/meet up if you decide to stop over around this way in yer boat
 
Marco had a monster bream last year, definately over 4, could well have been over 5lbs, Ed will know. That was from the shore but quite a way out iirc.

From my experience the bream are there but you need a long aspetto for them. They are more wary than bass and seem to hold on the edge of visual range for quite a while only coming in closer after a minute or more.

So go get them, only one I've actually got was night diving.
 
I've seen one quite shallow in the bootlace, but that must have been 2007 since it didn't get nice enough for me to go last year!! It moved too quick for me to get a shot on it though.
 
We have a local mark that fishes very well for bream at 18m. I was wondering about giving it a go - just need to improve the breath hold and pick the right tide! I can feel a Deeperblue 'Bream of the month' coming on!!
 
Jonny250, thanks for the invite i will definitely take you up on that offer if i pop over this year. I meet Old Man Dave a couple of times last year and had a good chat over a couple of beers.

Foxfish, i recall your brother (Dave) telling me about some of Marco's catches. Was he shore diving or from a boat?

I was dying to get in the water when we were catching the bream. Don't think the anglers would of liked it much though crewman over the side spooking the fish with his yellow oilskins on.

I must admit i would love to try and get out to some of these deeper marks and have a crack at it.


Cheers Ian
 
Janner whatever you do don’t take yer Granddad (Shiny1) over there as we want a few fish left for the Guernsey summer fish in.
 
Ian, he caught it from the shore you can find some more here http://forums.deeperblue.com/guernsey/69083-guernsey-2007-a-79.html#post658492 i think it was over 5lb?
Pretty average day for Marco!!!

He did go out in a little rubber boat with his brother a few times.
There had been a big shark caught just a mile offshore so there theory was the shark was feeding on bass that lived on the reef where the shark was caught so they dived on that reef!
 
Have had two bream in daytime over here. First one was in about 3m of water and the second in about 5m. I've seen them in about 10m like Tom says as wary as you like, one twitch and they were gone. The ones I saw were blacks - think Tom has had some luck viewing Giltheads
 
Luck seeing maybe, but not luck shooting :vangry And a couches or two on that night dive with you, you've had couches eh? And what I still reckon was an adult white bream 3 years ago.
 
If any of you guys ever fancy a couple of days or a long weekend diving these reefs and need another bloke to chip in with petrol money/ take turns skippering the boat count me in. Flights seem to be cheap from Plymouth so as long as i can find my accomodation i'm there

I know its a bit necky but if you don't ask you don't get.

Cheers Ian
 
What type of sea bottom do you find breams at in England/Channel Islands?
Any rocky pavements with crevice? Any grenite boulders?
Have you tried to look into the crevices or under the boulders?
That's where most of breams (sargo type, or diplodus) are caught in the Mediterranean.
I'd better say they used to be caught in crevices, holes and boulders, because until 10 or 15 years ago their common behaviour was to enter the first hole and hide in when they where frightened.
A common technique was to frighten them on purpose to make the hole up, and then shoot them into the hole. But then lately they seem they have learned the dangerous relation diver with gun/hiding in hole, and now they tend to run off to open sea rather than hiding into rocks, at least here in Italy.
Maybe up there they still hole up....
 
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That is a very good point & the answer is no, I have never looked for bream in holes.
I (we) did a one time do quite a bit of hole hunting for lobster, crabs & conger but that was years ago & at a time when bream were not common in our waters.
In recent years I only occasionally look in holes. To be honest I have never really enjoyed the shock of confronting large conger!
 
Impression I get from fishing for them all my life and seeing a few spearing is our black bream prefer open water and cleaner ground. Eel grass beds and gravelley sandy areas are their most frequent habitats. Haven't seen any in holes, but then I don't look that closely as its always dark and scary in there :girlie
 

Is your black bream Spondyliosoma cantharus? If it is it, it is not a "sargo" and indeed this is not a hole fish, it is maybe the less hole-friendly of the whole bream family. As you said it's easier to spot on grass beds and caught by aspetto or agguato.

While the other breams of the sargo family, once very common in the mediterranean and now spotted in english waters (as some of you guys report), are all very hole-friendly fish. I'm talking of what we call striped common sargo bream (diplodus vulgaris), major sargo bream (diplodus sargus), big lips sargo (diplodus puntazzo) they ar all fish that tend to hole up in:
-under the edges of isolated boulders
-under and in between a concentration of many bpulders
-inside crevices between the basement of rocks large or small
-inside small holes (you'll be surprised how really tiny holes can host so many fish!!!).

Common approach and techniques:

where
you may at your option:
1a) investigate every single hole going continuously up and down like the needle of a sewing machine (it's a very physical type of hunting).
1b) choose only a few selected boulders or cracks that might inspire you. Ask yourself: where would I hide if I was a fish myself? Sargos generally choose a preordered hole they may run into in case of danger, and they choose holes and rocks with a particular "look", so they can recognize it very quickly when they nmeed to suddenly run into it. They also tend to choose holes OR rocks as their permanent "dwelling", so also in this case the rock has to has a particular "look" to be dinstinguished from any other: for example an isolated rock in a flat bottom, a hole in a rocky floor with a brighter spot of rock, or right behind a weed bush....
2) first briefly investigate if, besides the entrance hole, there might be any exit hole for them to escape from another side of the rock. In this case a buddy system is very productive to patrol both the entrance and the exit.
How
3a) approach the hole gently, trying to perform some brief "aspetto" laying one meter or so away from the hole: sometimes a fish will come oput to see what's going on and....BANG!
3b) BUT if you have seen a frightened fish running into the hole escaping from outside, don't waste any tiome and quicly peep into the hole with your gun pointed to the inside, use a quick flash of your torch and shoot with no hesitation.
4) don't fall in the traps and tricks of these cunning buggers. sometimes you may find very small sargos staying tranquil and motionless in front of a boulder: there might be a bigger one inside (the small ones feel protected by the big one, maybe). Sometimes you'll see a single sargo exiting from the hole and running as hell towads open see: it's only a diversion to get your attention and drive you away from the hole where his "brothers" are hiding.
Sometimes you may watch into the hole and see no fish: maybe it's on the floor, laying down on his side to be less visible....cunning buggers.
5) weapons. Of course you need a short gun (to be handled into small holes)armed with a 3, 4 or 5 pronger tip. the 3 or 5 pronger is much better than a tahitina or hawaian tip with flopper, first because you won't have much time and visibility to aim and the 5 pronger will give more hitting "surface" than a single tip. Second because, the hole might have not enough room to let the speartip pass completely through the fish, and in this case the flopper won't open and you won't be able to hold the fish.
6) torch. You must use a torch. Not necessarily one of those superpowerfu lamps you use for night dives, but a smaller handy spearfishing flashlight such as the Omer Moonlight, Omer Minimicra, Cressi lucciola et cetera. When approaching holed up sargos, take care that only a very brief flash will be enough: the sudden ray of light scares these fish a lot. So be very concentrated, flash briefly while you gun is already aimed inside, and shoot as quick as you can. You may also give up the use of a lamp: if you look into the hole for a little while, your eyes will naturally adjust to give you a better vision in the dark and maybe this will be enough.

I don't know if any of these will ever be useful to my UK friends, but I have the impression that climate change (or God knows what) is driving "southern" fish way north...
 
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Our most common bream is in fact the Black Bream. Scientific Name: Spondyliosoma cantharus.
 
Interesting reading Spago, but unfortunately not that relevant at the moment, who knows what the future holds though....
 
Interesting reading Spago, but unfortunately not that relevant at the moment, who knows what the future holds though....
Ouch! And so I wrote that looooong post (and you had to read it) for nothing??!! :head
I was just hoping the Guernsey population of sargos had improved in 2 years: http://forums.deeperblue.com/672747-post1855.html
but anyway, wait and see. If they ever reach up, enjoy: they're good to eat and fun to hunt....
 
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