• Welcome to the DeeperBlue.com Forums, the largest online community dedicated to Freediving, Scuba Diving and Spearfishing. To gain full access to the DeeperBlue.com Forums you must register for a free account. As a registered member you will be able to:

    • Join over 44,280+ fellow diving enthusiasts from around the world on this forum
    • Participate in and browse from over 516,210+ posts.
    • Communicate privately with other divers from around the world.
    • Post your own photos or view from 7,441+ user submitted images.
    • All this and much more...

    You can gain access to all this absolutely free when you register for an account, so sign up today!

C4 Carbon Monnoscocca

Thread Status: Hello , There was no answer in this thread for more than 60 days.
It can take a long time to get an up-to-date response or contact with relevant users.

portinfer

Aquatic shopper...
Jul 3, 2003
1,327
409
173
Does anyone own this gun / has anyone used this gun ?

What is it like ?

I saw that it has an eliptical barrel and think that it would track well but maybe the weighting is not enough in the larger sizes for the recoil ?

What lengths have you used ?

What do you like about it or dislike (apart from the price:)) ?

I notice that there is a range of rubbers you can use with it - can you use circular bands with dyneema wishbones ?

Cheers
Ed
 
Guys in italian forums use them, they say its ferrari of underwater world. But in every picture i see they add lead weight towards the muzzle. This means gun is not properly balanced or does not balanced for specific setup which is not good in my book. Especially for those expensive guns. Barell is elliptic. Shape changes from size to size.I don't know how they decide the shape without knowing the band and shaft configuration (C4's supplied without shaft and bands). Anyway, in sales section they apper frequently which is not good thing in my opinion. Sometimes people change from C4 to totemsub sometimes vise versa. Dapiran used one in his first dentex movie (he modified it with wood stocks) even with those modifications it shoot low, you can see that in slow motion captures on one of those dentex shoots. Thats all the impression i got from the net. I don't think you will get much more info other than tahat without using one. Personally if i will pay such money to gun (which i did to my current wood guns) i expect it to be superb out of the box :)
 
Last edited:
you can't use circular bands but with their new muzzles you can use bulk rubber, kind a adaptor which you can mount on standart euro guns. You can use dynema wishbone, no problem on that.
 
not sure about the weighing Murat does seem to have dug into this a bit further than i have. I think the gun has killer looks though. I think Miles and spaniard own them mayb they could provide more feedback from a user point of view. Im sure it will be objective and not biased :)
 
Hiya

I've got a 115cm C4. Did a review on it when i bought it.

The C4 Monoscocca isn’t just a gun, it a work of art. It’s an exceptionally well built gun with very good accuracy. It is touted as the BEST euro-gun you can get.

The complete gun is made of carbon fiber and epoxy resin composite. This valuable material, used in its full extension in the MONOSCOCCA unique structure, totally worked by hand by highly qualified personnel and polymerized at 120° C for 8 atm of pressure, allows the construction of a hollow structure achieving different functions and so technically definable as MONOSCOCCA. This gun, without any evident bending and without any trace of assembly imprecision or wobbles, achieves therefore an outstanding precision in the shot

The carbon structure thus realized is totally inert, does not need any maintenance, it’s stable in time and does not show any dimensional alteration.
In the MONOSCOCCA, the conceptual project of shape and function is developed to its purest essence so to obtain a modern object of industrial design, ennobled by the intelligent use of valuable technological materials as carbon fibre and titanium

Technically speaking, the MONOSCOCCA is an object of low quantity of available energy. It’s not possible to increase the energy as a diver would like. The average person cannot charge a single rubber over 60 kg. The consequence is that the only way to increase the performances is to reduce the energy losses every mechanical object inevitably has while functioning. To achieve maximum shot performances, apart from the exceptional stiffness of its unique structure, the MONOSCOCCA has been deliberately built without shaft guide and with the bands in the muzzle perfectly lined up to the shaft. These technical solutions totally remove the unwanted frictions due to the progress of the shaft in the shaft guide.
Moreover, cancels the strong hydrodynamic friction due to the circular bands producing a significant drag effect moving perpendicularly in the water and working not in a straight line with the shaft movement.

With our muzzle’s technical solution it’s furthermore totally avoided the rubbing of the bands into the barrel and its consequent braking effect on the shaft velocity. The result is that MONOSCOCCA disperses a very low quantity of energy and this produces, bands and shaft being equal, a shot very straight, fast and without equal.
The project of this speargun started from the fundamental consideration that the most important thing in a good speargun is its capacity of an easy and accurate aiming to the target. This is an essential condition: if the speargun is not aligned with the fish all its other qualities will achieve nothing. Fish is usually moving and MONOSCOCCA particular shape allows an exceptionally fast and accurate alignment.
The hand position relatively to the shaft has been intentionally lowered to only 9 mm, about half of a traditional speargun: this allows a fast, instinctive and accurate aim with a reduced rotating up effect due to the gun recoil because the fulcrum effect thus working is only half compared to others traditional guns.
The triggering mechanism is in AISI 316 steel and titanium and it has been planned in a position about 70 mm more toward the muzzle than in other traditional gun handles. This solution reduces the distance between the hand and the muzzle without modification of the operative lengths. MONOSCOCCA 100, really long 103,5 cm and developed with this system has a length between handle and muzzle like a 96 cm gun, with a maneuverability improved by the narrowest of the barrel sections but with a shot of a full 103,5 cm because it’s NOT changed the distance between the muzzle and the notches in the shaft.
One of the best features of the MONOSCOCCA is its easy of use. There’s no need to become used to it, the excellent ergonomics due to the particular shape of the titanium trigger (produced with numeric control machines) and the position of its rotation axis, together with the handle shape, calculated together to fit the hand profile, builds a whole, allowing everyone to attain immediately optimum results. There’re not awkward times used to adapt oneself to the speargun, sure indication of poor ergonomics.

The sturdiness and precision obtained by the numeric control machines in the triggering mechanism is such that the release of shaft is very smooth. The triggering mechanism has a spring working on the shaft attachment system particularly tough. This prevents an unintentional shaft release obtaining a good safety of use without affecting in whatever way the release in the water under the pull of the bands

Out of the water, the shaft release operation can be obtained only pulling the shaft very straight, gently lifting it. An attempt in removing the shaft out of the water comes upon stiffness and resistance by this very precise mechanism. In working conditions, in the water, under the perfectly linear pull of the bands, the shaft is released by the mechanism with very low friction and as a result very smoothly

The peculiar shape of the barrel, a little swelled up around a third of the length, creates an hydrodynamic barycentre around which rotates the MONOSCOCCA movement. This shape is different for each speargun length so to better adapt to their specific use. The MONOSCOCCA very thin final section, about 20 mm in height, sensibly increases the capability of moving the gun underwater in every direction, with light and accurate movement. Despite this, the total mass is one of biggest in the speargun market: the 115 weight is actually 1300 g

The muzzle is very tiny and extremely sturdy, it’s built in precious titanium, shaped with numeric control machines, it’s of only 6 mm of thickness and it weights a mere 16 g. It has two threaded 14x1 holes where to screw the elastic bands. This solution allows the owner to find in the market bands of almost any kind of diameter and composition. It’s so possible to search for the best ballistic characteristics needed for the desired kind of fishing

To ease the loading of the speargun, only in the MONOSCOCCA 115 and 130, there’s a little sealed hole in the muzzle, about 15 cm before the first shaft notch, where to insert a removable pin. The pin is in effect a 6x35 mm screw, easily and cheaply found everywhere. The charging of the speargun in this way is easy: the diver inserts the pin, stretches the bands until their insertion to the pin, lifts the gun rear extension to the sternum without moving the hands and finishes the charging until the desired notch. He then takes off the pin and the speargun is ready to fire.

MONOSCOCCA is equipped with a 50 m reel, rotating on a heavy steel AISI 316 pin mounted with a thread (M10) into the barrel. It has a friction working with a spring for avoiding the tying up of the line. The reel is removed unscrewing the pin from the barrel.
MONOSCOCCA is sold without bands and shaft and it’s thus not balanced. Optimal equilibrium is achieved when, with the gun charged, the spear tip drops slightly (with a velocity of 4/5 cm/sec). A little weight of few grams toward the barrel end will achieve a balance suitable for the chosen bands, shaft and flops.
MONOSCOCCA is provided with an automatic line release upon firing. The muzzle is open, so for firing with the gun upside down it’s needed a double length of the line that, encircling the muzzle and the shaft together, holds the latter down in its proper position
The handle is covered with a rubber antislip texture designed to offer excellent stability and alignment of the speargun.

The MONOSCOCCA is covered with a two years guarantee, like all other products under Italian law following the directions of the European Community.
 
OK, that’s the sales pitch, now for the field test. I bought my 115cm C4 with 18mm Omer screw in rubbers and a 6.75mm SS spear with shark fin tabs and a 7.1mm SS spear. The rubbers use an articulated wishbone, but I’ve replaced them with 20mm bulk rubber and a dyneema wishbone using euro adaptors. Needless to say, I had the shafts notch’s polished.

The 115cm C4 fully rigged with reel and 50m dyneema with 20mm rubbers and 7.1mm SS spear weighs 1,900Kg whilst my 115cm Carbon Rabitech Apex with Omer Pelagic 100 filled with 2mm Spectra-Dyneema and 20mm rubbers and 7mm SS spear weighs in at 1,960KG’s.

The trigger mech. is a bit hard to load, but being used to my rabitech’s I found it no problem. The line release which is held in place by the spear itself is a bit fiddly, but I soon got used to it. Loading the gun is a mission!!!! After some practice it soon became easy. There is a loading pin that you can use. What must be remembered is that a 115cm has the same band stretch as a 122cm gun. So effectively you’re loading a 122cm gun not a 115, but you’ve got the maneuverability of a 115 with the power of a 122cm gun!!!! I did make my 20mm’s 2cm shorter on each side, so the loading problem is all my fault!!

In the water the gun tracks beautifully. Feels light and very well balanced. Trigger is quite sensitive but once again, you become adjusted very quickly. Accuracy is amazing!!! The c4 is just as accurate as my Rabitech’s even though it doesn’t posses a spear guide or rail. The spear is extremely quick under water. Quite a bit faster than my 115cm Rabitech. With my rabitech I can generally see my spear hit the fish. My first few fish with the c4 had me wondering whether I actually hit the fish!!! Fish just hung motionless for a second or two, and then toppled over……..stoned!!! And I was looking at the fish after I pulled the trigger. All I could see was the shooting line going through the fish……AWESOME!!!!!

Truth be told, there’s nothing I can fault on this gun. Like I said before, it’s a work of art and best part of all is that’s it’s a FUNCTIONAL work of art!!! Very accurate, extremely powerful, easy to track with, light and well balanced. What more could one want??

The only real downside is the price. I’m a die hard Rabitech fan, but this beauty has converted me to a C4 follower. Rabitechs does offer great value for money, but if you’re looking for something different that is as close to the perfect speargun that you’re going to get look no further than the C4. Go ahead……….spoil yourself!!!

Regards
Miles
 
Hiya

That was my review about a year and a half ago. My C4 hasn't seen much use over the past year as i'm too scared of scratching it!!! :waterwork :waterwork

I recall a short while back, a yellowtail bent my Rabitech's spear on a wreck. My c4 was my spare gun on the boat. Used it and am still impressed with it.

So, after a year and a half i still stand by my conclusion:
The only real downside is the price. I’m a die hard Rabitech fan, but this beauty has converted me to a C4 follower. Rabitechs does offer great value for money, but if you’re looking for something different that is as close to the perfect speargun that you’re going to get look no further than the C4. Go ahead……….spoil yourself!!!
 
Ive recently bought The 1.3 monosocca.

After getting some 19mm bands made up and putting a RA 7.5mm Spear in it I took it out to try it.

I loaded it fine, shot at a butterfish, missed it, no idea where the spear went, it made a cool sound "poof".

Second shot I was lying on the bottom in 18m, with a current. The current picked the end of the gun up abit. I aimed at a Terakhi which was approx 12ft away at the end of visability, it turned as i shot, i missed it.

when you drop it, the handle falls first quite quickly. i can see why you need to add weightsto the muzzle, that was my thoughts while diving too.

Next i tried to load it and the spear would'nt stay in, the force of the rubbers pulled it out. while doing this, a big Barracouta ive been waiting for all dive swims and stops underneath me ARGHHHH.

Once home I found that if you adjust the grubscrew which moves the trigger up and down, this changes the tollerance for the spear, wind it in, the spear pulls out, wind it out, the spear stays. I take it this was to fine tune the gun for a range of spears. It musty have been on the verge of tollerance.

I emailed C4, and Marco, the Owner and Designer of the guns told me that he had no experince with RA spears in the C4's and that they did not fit. he recomended omer, cressi, Picasoo, Torres.

i got the RA spear to stay once finding the right amount of tollerence to have. But the RA spear moves back and forth, as well as up and down 0.6mm. it you pullthe spear it won't come out. bu if you push it down, then pull, it will come out.

I will be getting a tabbed torres spear for it to make sure.

I have made a break away rig on the C4,and will test it out this year on large kingi's and y/f tuna next year.
 

Attachments

  • DSC00928.jpg
    DSC00928.jpg
    68.1 KB · Views: 357
  • DSC00927.jpg
    DSC00927.jpg
    91 KB · Views: 365
  • DSC00929.jpg
    DSC00929.jpg
    100.5 KB · Views: 356
  • DSC00930.jpg
    DSC00930.jpg
    105.8 KB · Views: 333
Last edited:
I have a quick question for the owners, does the gun sync with reel and without the shaft.
 
Without the Shaft the gun floats and is very boyant with twin 19mm rubbers and aluminium breakaway.

it sinks with a RA 7.5mm 170cm spear on it.

I took it out for a test run today. It loaded fine, adjusting the trigger and sear tollernce, it worked.

with the RA spear, it may not be the bst spear for this gun, but I made it fit.

I aimed with one hand and it packs a fair punch, and the sound it makes is "BOOF" not poof as i said above, a simalar sound to a riffe.

since there was 2m visability, I have no idea where it shoots yet. We are trying to finds a private pool to do a Hawiaii Skin diver type accuracy test on all of our guns.
 
DeeperBlue.com - The Worlds Largest Community Dedicated To Freediving, Scuba Diving and Spearfishing

ABOUT US

ISSN 1469-865X | Copyright © 1996 - 2024 deeperblue.net limited.

DeeperBlue.com is the World's Largest Community dedicated to Freediving, Scuba Diving, Ocean Advocacy and Diving Travel.

We've been dedicated to bringing you the freshest news, features and discussions from around the underwater world since 1996.

ADVERT