I see that canon is coming out with an updated version of the highly regarded g10. I was just about to pull the trigger and buy one but will hold off if the updated version is better-for my purposes. the deciding factor being which has better video capacity. Additionally, does anyone know if the ikelite housing for the g10 will work for the g11? so if anyone has a quick rundown on the pros and cons of both in laymans terms I'd be grateful. thanks
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canon g10 vs g11
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Hello, the G10 is great. I doubt the g11 will be really different (g9 and g10 are pretty much the same except for number of pixels which means nothing).
I would hold off until they install the new high capacity HD cards (1 or 2 Terabytes). That will render the g10 and all cameras that do not offer the extra capacity very obsolete.
They could tempt me if they increased the size of the sensor but I doubt they will do it yet although Minolta now has a camera the size of the g10 with a full SLR sensor ($$$$$).
I would hold off until they install the new high capacity HD cards (1 or 2 Terabytes). That will render the g10 and all cameras that do not offer the extra capacity very obsolete.
They could tempt me if they increased the size of the sensor but I doubt they will do it yet although Minolta now has a camera the size of the g10 with a full SLR sensor ($$$$$).
One more thing, the reason to get a g10 is to shoot in RAW. That increases the quality of your shots by a factor of 10. When in raw you do not have to bother with white balance at all (which is done in bulk on the computer a lot better and faster without pixel pollution).
pushing WB to the limits can actually mess your pixels up, so a righr WB while shooting will definitely improve you image quality
i obviously agree about the quality enhancements given by raw shooting: i shoot raw and nothing else, not even raw+jpeg, just a waste of mb for me (on land: i still can't dip my reflex... sigh...)
nice to hear canon will release G11, maybe i can better afford a g10 in the next months
I am in the Maldives and stole my wife's G9 that she was not using. I have to say as an experienced DSLR photographer I was amazed at this camera. I had bought the Canon underwater housing and figured it would be OK to risk this camera underwater. With the G9 I really did not miss my 40D or 5DII that much. Sure there are some situations where I would have had more flexibility, but it really is amazing what this little camera is capable off.
The things I wish could be improved are the following:
1. The camera is very difficult to control underwater when using RAW. It is extremely hard to free dive and then find your prey that you want to shoot and then juggle 2 buttons at the same time trying to get the correct exposure. Obviously the light at 60 feet is different than 12 feet and you need something very quick to adjust the lighting. And if you want to shoot RAW (in order to be able to have full WB control) you need to press 2 buttons at the same time and juggle a third to get a good exposure.
2. Better high ISO images. The P&S capability of the G9 is obvious in this case. Anything above 400 ISO is not very good. I would guess that ISO 1600 or even 3200 on the 5DII would be equivalent to ISO 400 or 800 on the G9. High ISO is very very useful for underwater pictures as it allows you to use a fast shutter speed with little light. I read that the G11 has 2 stop advantage over the G9, if so that is a HUGE improvement.
3. Tilt viewer not available. Again this seems to have been fixed in the G11. I found myself on many cases wishing I could pivot the viewer for a better angle on a picture. This will be a great advantage on many types of pictures.
4. The largest aperature is 8.0 While that seems to get excellent pictures and has good depth of field, I found that in many cases I have to push the shutter speed above 1000 ... which seems like a waste of possible aperature flexibility. Not sure what the G11 has but if this would be say f16 this would be fantastic.
5. Flash is not very strong. It is hard to criticize that as this is a P&S camera and even some DSLR's don't even have a flash. It is a good idea to get one of Canon's small slave flashes as an add on if you plan a trip. Flash is ofcourse very useful at night and even more so if taking pictures with a lot of light where a face is superimposed with a picture. You need something strong that can go through the dark shadows that human faces inevitably have when put on high contrast landscape.
6. There is no optical zoom on video. There is digital zoom but that is not an option I am interested in. I think they left it out because of internal noise of mechanical movement of the lens. I think they should keep it on as in many cases audio is dubbed with something else and thus mechanical noise will not be a factor. Otherwise the video is quite good, just make sure you have high resolution on and not the video with the little envelope on (something I did). This cost me a full day free diving and as you can imagine, that was the day I saw and videoed a large shark, a large turtle and a huge grouper.
I might put some pictures and make a full review with the G9. I think the G9 and G10 and G11 are very similar so this could be useful to someone who is planning on such a camera. But really this little camera packs a tremendous punch and I for one am absolutely going to jump on the G11.
The things I wish could be improved are the following:
1. The camera is very difficult to control underwater when using RAW. It is extremely hard to free dive and then find your prey that you want to shoot and then juggle 2 buttons at the same time trying to get the correct exposure. Obviously the light at 60 feet is different than 12 feet and you need something very quick to adjust the lighting. And if you want to shoot RAW (in order to be able to have full WB control) you need to press 2 buttons at the same time and juggle a third to get a good exposure.
2. Better high ISO images. The P&S capability of the G9 is obvious in this case. Anything above 400 ISO is not very good. I would guess that ISO 1600 or even 3200 on the 5DII would be equivalent to ISO 400 or 800 on the G9. High ISO is very very useful for underwater pictures as it allows you to use a fast shutter speed with little light. I read that the G11 has 2 stop advantage over the G9, if so that is a HUGE improvement.
3. Tilt viewer not available. Again this seems to have been fixed in the G11. I found myself on many cases wishing I could pivot the viewer for a better angle on a picture. This will be a great advantage on many types of pictures.
4. The largest aperature is 8.0 While that seems to get excellent pictures and has good depth of field, I found that in many cases I have to push the shutter speed above 1000 ... which seems like a waste of possible aperature flexibility. Not sure what the G11 has but if this would be say f16 this would be fantastic.
5. Flash is not very strong. It is hard to criticize that as this is a P&S camera and even some DSLR's don't even have a flash. It is a good idea to get one of Canon's small slave flashes as an add on if you plan a trip. Flash is ofcourse very useful at night and even more so if taking pictures with a lot of light where a face is superimposed with a picture. You need something strong that can go through the dark shadows that human faces inevitably have when put on high contrast landscape.
6. There is no optical zoom on video. There is digital zoom but that is not an option I am interested in. I think they left it out because of internal noise of mechanical movement of the lens. I think they should keep it on as in many cases audio is dubbed with something else and thus mechanical noise will not be a factor. Otherwise the video is quite good, just make sure you have high resolution on and not the video with the little envelope on (something I did
). This cost me a full day free diving and as you can imagine, that was the day I saw and videoed a large shark, a large turtle and a huge grouper.I might put some pictures and make a full review with the G9. I think the G9 and G10 and G11 are very similar so this could be useful to someone who is planning on such a camera. But really this little camera packs a tremendous punch and I for one am absolutely going to jump on the G11.
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Hello, I did not know about the two button thing on the G9. The G10 basically shoots in RAW unless you ask otherwise. Well thats in P mode which is the one you want to use anyway.
The strange thing I found over time is that the G10 sort of overexposes systematically while underwater. It's easy to fix since you have access to an exposure dial but it's still a bit strange. I find that -1/3 or even -2/3 works best. I can see it on lightroom afterwards. The histogram is not centered...
The strange thing I found over time is that the G10 sort of overexposes systematically while underwater. It's easy to fix since you have access to an exposure dial but it's still a bit strange. I find that -1/3 or even -2/3 works best. I can see it on lightroom afterwards. The histogram is not centered...
Why would you want to use only P mode. You have much more flexibility in Manual or aperature contol only or shutter speed control only. With underwater photography high ISO capability is very important as it allows you to use higher shutter speeds in low light. I found out that those damned little fish swim too fast !!! Also colors are almost totally gone after about 30 feet, with RAW you can get some of it back but really I think to get decent pictures you need one or even 2 good strobes.
I am not sure how the G11 functions work, but it would be great if I could configure the right and left buttons to move the shutter speed and the up and down buttons to move the aperature speed. All you would have to choose would be a "set" ISO of say 400 and go. Otherwise the option would be to set shutter speed and have control only of aperature. If 400 ISO on the G11 is as good as it is on the 50D or 40D or even the 20D then this camera will be perfect.
I am not sure how the G11 functions work, but it would be great if I could configure the right and left buttons to move the shutter speed and the up and down buttons to move the aperature speed. All you would have to choose would be a "set" ISO of say 400 and go. Otherwise the option would be to set shutter speed and have control only of aperature. If 400 ISO on the G11 is as good as it is on the 50D or 40D or even the 20D then this camera will be perfect.
Ok, some news...
The G11 is much much better than the G10.
Canon reduced the amount of pixels to 10 mp.
The noise problem disappeared!
At 1600 the pictures are still clear.
With the G10 I see noise at 200 and its unacceptable at 400.
The G11 is much much better than the G10.
Canon reduced the amount of pixels to 10 mp.
The noise problem disappeared!
At 1600 the pictures are still clear.
With the G10 I see noise at 200 and its unacceptable at 400.
First use the P mode.
Put ISO on auto (it automatically chooses the highest iso between 80 and 160, rarely higher which is good since the g10 is crap above 200)
Set flash off.
Make sure you are not zooming in (zoom out).
Select RAW for picture format (most important, get lightroom 2.4 for processing, it's magic).
Make sure the image stabilization is on.
Once in the water adjust the white balance.
Get as close to the object as possible.
Expect to take 100 pictures for every good one.
Hope this helps.
Rene
Put ISO on auto (it automatically chooses the highest iso between 80 and 160, rarely higher which is good since the g10 is crap above 200)
Set flash off.
Make sure you are not zooming in (zoom out).
Select RAW for picture format (most important, get lightroom 2.4 for processing, it's magic).
Make sure the image stabilization is on.
Once in the water adjust the white balance.
Get as close to the object as possible.
Expect to take 100 pictures for every good one.
Hope this helps.
Rene
I agree on Lightroom. My camera is old now - but I do most of my shooting with the white balance set negative and at shutter speeds of 1/80 or 1/100. I almost never use flash and almost always keep the iso at 50 - the g10 and g11 probably have less noise than my s80 but I don't even like to use iso 100.
I also use an Inon wide-angle wet lens - this makes a HUGE difference because it brings in more light.
I also use an Inon wide-angle wet lens - this makes a HUGE difference because it brings in more light.
it's the successor to photoshop. The same guys that built photoshop made ligthroom from scratch and dedicated it to photography.
I wouldn't call it the successor.
Lightroom is an application geared specifically toward functions you commonly need for photography - it is not as intensive as photoshop, but it is more focused with all the most used controls right at hand. It also is set up to help organize your photos and can produced flash and html galleries very easily.
Lightroom is an application geared specifically toward functions you commonly need for photography - it is not as intensive as photoshop, but it is more focused with all the most used controls right at hand. It also is set up to help organize your photos and can produced flash and html galleries very easily.
They specifically used a different programming language so that none of the previous applets could be used in lightroom. They also used a modular architecture to make sure it never bloats up like photoshop.
Photoshop was not meant to deal with RAW, it permanently changes images (it always had to use other applications like "camera raw" or applets just to open the picture; but in no case could it limit it's damages to the original).
Lightroom was made specifically for RAW since it is presumed that any photographer that uses RAW will never, ever, ever want to deal with jpgs ;-) It's so much faster to deal with RAW than jpgs!
Photoshop was not meant to deal with RAW, it permanently changes images (it always had to use other applications like "camera raw" or applets just to open the picture; but in no case could it limit it's damages to the original).
Lightroom was made specifically for RAW since it is presumed that any photographer that uses RAW will never, ever, ever want to deal with jpgs ;-) It's so much faster to deal with RAW than jpgs!
if you heard about Apple Aperture, Lightroom almost replicates it "Adobe style"
Adobe - Photo Management Software - Photoshop Lightroom
Adobe - Photo Management Software - Photoshop Lightroom