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CF hybrid build questions

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jtkwest

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i am making a couple hybrid guns, one (first one) will be aluminum tube, the second will be cf tube. i have been looking at cf tubes and i have a question: what thickness is good for a tube? the outside diameter of the tube needs to be 1 1/8"( approx 28.4mm) but the inside, i am not sure. they come with wall thickness of 1/16" (1.9mm) 1/8"(3.6mm) or 3/32" (2.5mm) the 1.9mm one has an inside diameter of 1"(25.5mm) which is a standard size for muzzles i think, so for that reason, i want to get that one, but is it strong enough? it is a uni weave configuration,(i think) (the one that is for anti bending of long tubes) the fibers are arranged so they have minimum bend longways. for 150$ is that a good deal? some chinese companies have way cheaper tubes in close sizes, but they are not working until after chinese new year holiday feb22. so i am waiting to hear back from them, maybe i could get it from them for under 100$ dano from mako spearguns is gonna hook me up with some aluminum tubes ,(BTW: that guy is the coolest and most helpful guy ever! seriously!) with built in rails. he ehas 2 sizes 1.1" o.d. and 1.2" o.d i gotta go with the smaller one since i got a 1 1/8" router ball bit. i will use the aluminum rali for the front half and it will marry into an enclosed epoxy track on the gun. my buddy told me to get g10(some kind of plastic that epoxy will stick to)and cut an enclose track into it and cut it out on a table saw to fit into a dovetail groove on the wood gun, and then i can epoxy it to the cf barrel. giving me an enclosed track all the way down quest: is glue gonna be enough to hold barrel into wood socket? or do i have to pin it or screw it ?
 
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Not sure I can answer all of that, but I have played with G10 a little. It is a composite of epoxy and glass, not a plastic. So if you rough up the surface with sandpaper, it epoxies very well. It does NOT cut like plastics. It is tough stuff, with very high impact resistance, and cuts more like aluminum. Be careful using wood working tools on it. Not saying you can't, just be careful. Multiple, fine cuts, and a solid hold on your work piece.

I used a piece on a hybrid, similar to how you describe. But since the G10 epoxies so well, there is no need to dovetail it. Just a square groove, and epoxy it in place.

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Ever look into extrusions, aluminum, there a endless profiles and shapes, and more structural than a plain tube.

Jason
 
Ever look into extrusions, aluminum, there a endless profiles and shapes, and more structural than a plain tube.

Jason

hey jason, no i havent. i just started really thinking about doing the hybrid thing. i think i will be doing a bunch of them, so i definately want to look into extrusions. do you know any good online sources? jason
 
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Well sorry to say no, but did a full day class on the stuff, but google it and find a big company, they have stuff i have seen that has a alum tube and a honey comb structural center, really thin metal but extremely strong and super lite.

Just a FYI
Jason
 
But if you need any custom cut stuff give me a call, I have a small machine shop, mill lathe etc
 
But if you need any custom cut stuff give me a call, I have a small machine shop, mill lathe etc
WOW, i cant believe i overlooked that, yeah i do want some custom stuff, what are we talking? tubes?at this point, i have already ordered a 40" barrel and muzzle to fit in aluminum from mako spearguns,,(dano is great!) outside diameter is 1.1" my ball router bit is 1 1/8", i am guessing i will fill the extra gap with epoxy, that will make it super tight . it would actually be easier if i could get an aluminum pipe with an o.d. of 1 1/8". then i could just glue a track on it, after i install it. it would be easy for me to align the open track on the tube with the enclosed track on the wood section. as it stands, i will have to grind the rail off the 10" section that i will be inserting into the wood, of the mako barrel. i have to do this very carefull because if i mess up and grind too deep, it will weaken the barrel significantly. i am thinking about this problem now.
 
i will have to grind the rail off the 10" section that i will be inserting into the wood, of the mako barrel. i have to do this very carefull because if i mess up and grind too deep, it will weaken the barrel significantly. i am thinking about this problem now.

Set it up on your router jig and cut the track off with a router. The aluminum should cut easily enough. Then just finish it with a grinder or something. But this way at least you have a control to go off of rather than grinding the bulk of the track off free hand?
 
Well sorry to say no, but did a full day class on the stuff, but google it and find a big company, they have stuff i have seen that has a alum tube and a honey comb structural center, really thin metal but extremely strong and super lite.

Just a FYI
Jason

If you go a Scrap Marine yard, sometimes you can find small dia sail masts in different profiles with tracks. If you want state off the art spline stiffness look into MMC tubing $.
Don
 
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