CO2 & O2 tables

[Salehthefish]

I was thinking about some recomendations that CO2 and O2 tables better to be done once per day either of them or twice as maximum in some recommendations where each table should not go more than 10 times of intervals (i.e. breath hold 10 times maximum) taking into consideration that when we go for free diving/spearfishing we do more than 53 dives per trip approx in spearfishing and 30 dives minimum in free diving trip which is like twice or more than doing a table. I know some people could do this daily for years and they have no problem at all in that specially spear fishermen who do it for living i can see that it contradicts with the recommendations I've heard...

My question are those recommendations wrong or what is the explanation for this?

 

[trux]

I never understood recommendation for maximally a single table per day (some people even tell one table per week, which is even bigger nonsense). In our club (~70 members), we train wet statics 1-2 x 2 hours per week, and those who are motivated do some daily dry training in plus. I do not think that you can progress much with a sinlge table of 10' a day (or a week), and there can be no discussion about physiological adaptation at all in such case.

 

[Salehthefish]

Thanks for your reply Trux but what i meant in 10 breath holds as for interval Like in O2 breath 2 min Hold 2:30 breath 2:00 Hold 2:45 and so on till reaching 80% of the maximum attempt this table will take around 45 minutes total... can i do a table which will last for two hours training daily?

 

[trux]

2hrs of statics a day may be a bit too much, especially mentally, but as long as you have pleasure doing it, and have at least a resting day or two a week, physilogically it will have certainly more impact than a single 30' table a week.

 

[docgreenfingers]

I found a few weeks ago an online CO2 & O2 training program. You could change the settings and when you started it also gave you a voice countdown. It was really good and used it a few times. But I have since formatted my hard drive and forgot to save it to favorites!

Anyone got any links to one please?

 

[Salehthefish]

Do u mean this one freediving : CO2/O2 tolerance tables

 

[docgreenfingers]

BINGO!!! RIGHT ON!!! thats the one i was using. Cheers!

 

[Simos]

I never understood recommendation for maximally a single table per day (some people even tell one table per week, which is even bigger nonsense). In our club (~70 members), we train wet statics 1-2 x 2 hours per week, and those who are motivated do some daily dry training in plus. I do not think that you can progress much with a sinlge table of 10' a day (or a week), and there can be no discussion about physiological adaptation at all in such case.

The recommendation I've heard of regarding 'single' table per day was more along the lines of a single type of table ie not mixing O2 tables and CO2 tables in the same training 'session'.

I didn't think about it too much or have any experience to know whether this makes sense but I would guess that it does for at least two reasons:

1. Assuming you have limited time per day to train, you can at least have a 'proper' session on either high CO2 or low O2 tolerance rather than 2 ineffective sessions at both

2. Assuming that these two different types of training affect different 'systems' and you can train several days each week, then you can alternate them and get an extra recovery day for each 'system'

I've heard of other 'anecdodal' reasons for not mixing CO2 and O2 tables but nobody could fully explain them by referring to underlying physiology, hence 'anecdotal' for now

 

[trux]

That does not make much sense either. There is no reason not to mix two different types of exercise in the same session. They are perfectly complementary. Starting with a CO2 table is better, and will allow you to push the O2 table more and safer. And doing two tables in no way prevents you from doing both properly and intensively. I'd tell that rather oppositely, doing one long and intensive session may give more effect than two short ones. So if you do not have the time do do a long session every day, instead of doing just a short one daily, you may be better off doing an intensive long one each couple of days.

 

[Simos]

That does not make much sense either. There is no reason not to mix two different types of exercise in the same session. They are perfectly complementary. Starting with a CO2 table is better, and will allow you to push the O2 table more and safer. And doing two tables in no way prevents you from doing both properly and intensively. I'd tell that rather oppositely, doing one long and intensive session may give more effect than two short ones. So if you do not have the time do do a long session every day, instead of doing just a short one daily, you may be better off doing an intensive long one each couple of days.

Yes if you can do a long session it might make sense but I meant that if you say can train a max of 40 mins each day, I think you are better off sticking with one type and alternating.

Similarly in the case above, if you really push the O2 table for example I am guessing a rest day from O2 tables would be good...

 

[trux]

Well, if someone is asking if he can do two or more tables per day, as the starter of the thread asked, then I think it is sound to assume that he has the time, otherwise he would not bother asking. So the argument about limited time is mute and off-topic in this case.

 

[TiminYorkshire]

Is it ok to do tables (say CO2) the same day as other training exercise, e.g a run, or best to do it on a non-exercise day? I did an 11+km run this morning and now have plenty of time to burn...