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Dazzle camo on wetsuits?

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Hi all,

Has anyone tried Dazzle camouflage on suits? It works on the principal of making it difficult to estimate size, speed, heading and range, as opposed to normal camo which uses concealment.

If someone has tried this please give us a review. What are your thoughts?

Gabriel
 
Dazzle was designed for conditions where concealment was impossible, so misdirection around size/shape/heading/speed was considered more important. That's not really the case when spearfishing. There's plenty to hide on/against/behind, so why use something that deliberately gives away your position in exchange for minor misdirections about shape?
 
It's also called "disruptive camouflage" if you're googling pictures. Some land hunters swear by the ASAT and Predator lines of camouflage, which they call "open patterns". Not quite the same idea, but in the same vein. Their patterns aren't meant to photographically duplicate leaves and twigs, but are just broad stroke patterns to break up the outline.

I think it's an interesting idea. I too would love to hear from anyone who has tried it.


Dazzle was designed for conditions where concealment was impossible, so misdirection around size/shape/heading/speed was considered more important. That's not really the case when spearfishing. There's plenty to hide on/against/behind, so why use something that deliberately gives away your position in exchange for minor misdirections about shape?

I guess that depends on your conditions. Here, I mostly dive midwater with no cover whatsoever. So my conditions are exactly what you describe . . . Impossible to hide, and I just want to momentarily disguise my true intentions.
 
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Here is an old picture of women in dazzle swimsuits:

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Just to give an idea.
 
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There are some marine critters that seem to use it to good effect . . .
 

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It's also called "disruptive camouflage" if you're googling pictures. Some land hunters swear by the ASAT and Predator lines of camouflage, which they call "open patterns". Not quite the same idea, but in the same vein. Their patterns aren't meant to photographically duplicate leaves and twigs, but are just broad stroke patterns to break up the outline.

I think it's an interesting idea. I too would love to hear from anyone who has tried it.




I guess that depends on your conditions. Here, I mostly dive midwater with no cover whatsoever. So my conditions are exactly what you describe . . . Impossible to hide, and I just want to momentarily disguise my true intentions.

Open patterns are used extensively in wetsuit camo - I have two suits like that. As for mid-water diving, I would expect you to still be better off in a blue (assuming blue water?) open pattern. Then again, most of the time your actually want to be noticed when diving mid-water anyway, so camo seems if anything counterproductive?
 
Open patterns are used extensively in wetsuit camo - I have two suits like that. As for mid-water diving, I would expect you to still be better off in a blue (assuming blue water?) open pattern. Then again, most of the time your actually want to be noticed when diving mid-water anyway, so camo seems if anything counterproductive?

Understand that I have no real experience with different camo patterns other than my few suits, so I'm totally speculating. But many blue water fish aren't blue (at least not completely). I think most tend to be a reflective silver, though often with stripes or bars for contrast (like wahoo).

As for being noticed, do you mean by other divers? I guess that would be the compromise with any camo pattern. We would like to hide from fish, but still be obvious to our buddies or nearby boats. Not sure what to do about that!
 
I find that white on the back of a suit or "natural / yellow" fiberglass fins stand out well for a surface / safety spotter.

I have some immersion e:green fins and they are THE BEST for visibility underwater. Better than super-bright strobes, etc!

Use fins and your back for buddy visibility. The rest can be camo for the fishes.
 
Understand that I have no real experience with different camo patterns other than my few suits, so I'm totally speculating. But many blue water fish aren't blue (at least not completely). I think most tend to be a reflective silver, though often with stripes or bars for contrast (like wahoo).

As for being noticed, do you mean by other divers? I guess that would be the compromise with any camo pattern. We would like to hide from fish, but still be obvious to our buddies or nearby boats. Not sure what to do about that!
In open water, I meant visibility to the fish. Seeing as they're coming in to check you out, it's not particularly helpful to hide from them.
 
Years ago Miles had a SA Predator wetsuit that was just two colors (pale blue & black, although I seem to recall they did other colors including green & black) in a few large, amorphous areas. It looked like it might have been inspired by an Orca/Killer Whale. Don't know how well it worked by Miles speared a lot of big yellow fin tuna and large reef fish, so can't have been too bad.

I tried to find a link for the above wetsuits but eventually found only these ... the man himself in said wetsuit:
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(A different company to Predator.co.uk who seem to make dry suits - available through Rabitech it seems they are made in Cape Town: http://www.rabitech.com/wetsuits.html ).

I had to look up [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dazzle_camouflage"]Dazzle camouflage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
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...but then recalled seeing a TV documentary on its use by the Royal Navy - although they don't seem to bother with it these days, perhaps too much hassle to paint, or maybe it just went out of fashion?
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I like the idea. I wear a black suit, I guess in some conditions it casts a pretty big silhouette but at least it doesn't reflect much light under most conditions. It does however make you look a lot like a seal (had a seal follow me around for half an hour once, it nibbled my fins!) - a fish predator, which you'd think might scare most fish, although I guess seals catch plenty of fish so perhaps not. Seals are very playful rather than threatening - perhaps that helps them catch their prey off guard.

Perhaps best not to look like a seal or whale pup around large sharks (e.g. Great White) & Orcas, lest you be mistaken for prey.
 
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