Discussion on Surface Protocol

[trux]

Re: Youngest Competitors at the World Champs?

Yes, indeed, this deserves being in a separate thread. Or perhaps moving the discussion over to the AIDA Forum would make even more sense. It surprises me always how little people post there even questions directly concerning solely AIDA athletes.

Me too, I find the PBMM rule rather bad. For example I use to nod my head when doing recovery hook breath. That's completely controlled movement and helps me compressing the air to create higher PaO2 in lungs. I think I was just lucky I had a gentle judge, because I saw people who do not know me, thought it was an LMC or PBMM too. In contrary, people who know me, confirmed my feelings that the surfacing was cleaner than they ever saw at me during a competition. I wonder what would have happened if I got PBMM DQ, and protested it with the true explanation that it were hook breaths in fact. OK, I think any decent judge should be able to distinguish between controlled nodding at hook breaths, and PBMM, but then again ain't they just humans? Why allowing such a loophole in the rules?

 

[TimoP]

Re: Youngest Competitors at the World Champs?

Problem with this is that it is biased to right handed people. In a hypoxic state, it will be natural for them to start with an OK sign with the right hand. I'm a lefty and would have an unfair disadvantage at the start.

I was thinking when writing that, if there is any discrimination for left handed people. So maybe there is....
But the solution is easy to find:
Ok sign, then "I am OK", then with ANOTHER hand the second ok sign.

Main thing is that there is more to remember and it must be done in this specific order in limited time. And you must change the hand you are hanging on edge, lane rope or rope in OW to do that another ok sign, without dipping your airways. And no CMAS-disc or something like that needed.

As talked before in another thread, it's just not only a AIDA thing, also in CMAS there is something to think again with "performance ending rules", e.g that weight which is for measuring the distance (with 1 cm tolerance). Stig forgot to put it to bottom and his 230+ CMAS DYN performance was DQ because of that CMAS special DYN rule.

One target might be to get AIDA's and CMAS's freediving rules closer to each others in the future. Even the same SP for both? I know it sounds an impossible dream to achieve in practise :headrofl, but maybe after 10-50 years it could be so ...if we freedivers try very hard

 

[osusim]

Re: Youngest Competitors at the World Champs?

Are we talking about youngest ones or about which fingers must be accepted for OK sign?

 

[pehtran]

Re: Youngest Competitors at the World Champs?

My opinion is that AIDA should finaly find some strenght and be away with this beating around the bush thing. Just mouth above water is such a simple and clear rule - easy to judge. And if we are afraid of athleets going with their back against the lane than we can add to the rule that the back of the head can not touch the water also. The main object in setting the rules is to keep them simple and fair to everyone. I do not think that with such a rule athleets would put themselves in any greater danger to their health - it would only be fairer to everyone. So much about the youngest competitors from me.... Miha

 

[Arjen]

Re: Youngest Competitors at the World Champs?

Because of the discussion on the surface protocol, I thought a little on the surface protocol. I do not think that making the surface protocol more complicated will result in fewer black outs. I think it will lead to more disqualifications. At least in big competitions, athletes will go to and over the edge to get to finals or get medals. What ever you will do to the surface protocol will not change their mindset at the actual attempt. They will only train harder on the new surface protocol. Because of the complication, there will be a lot more disqualification on SP, especially among new athletes and in small competitions. This can be very discouraging for those people.

I think that keeping the surface protocol as it is, perhaps with the addition that an athlete needs to keep his head from the chin up completely out of the water, is enough. If you push it to far, you will be disqualified. To add all kinds of signs with different hands will only needlessly complicate matters for the athlete and the judge, will push the importance to the surface protocol instead of the actual performance, will mostly be a hindrance to inexperienced athletes and will result in a lot of good performances being disqualified on stupid technicalities. I think that will be bad for the sport.

 

[rxcnc2]

Re: Youngest Competitors at the World Champs?

Are we talking about youngest ones or about which fingers must be accepted for OK sign?

I opened a new thread here http://forums.deeperblue.com/genera...rface-protocol-changes-needed.html#post781785
maybe we can continue there with the SP, and leave the young ones alone here.

 

[BennyB]

I've taken this out of the "Youngest Competitor" thread and put it in it's own thread. I didn't put it with the other thread because the posts are chronological and it would have mucked up the order in there.

Cheers,
Ben