DNF training with swimming paddles...

[subaquaticus]

I definitely took to DNF like a duck to water ; my former activities (roller skating, finswimming, running,..) had developed my lower body to the detriment of my upper body...

I feel DNF is very good for rib cage expansion, and musculation of the back...

No more aching in the back thanks to DNF !

I am the happy owner of a pair of swimming paddles (TYR, medium size...) ; I like the TYR for their shape ; they seem to have been designed carefully in a very hydrodynamical way...

Two weeks ago I began training with my good old TYR paddles... ; swimming crawl ; and doing 25 m laps DNF underwater...

My question : what is the worth of training DNF with my TYR paddles ?

I feel they might be a bit too big underwater... should I take smaller ones ?

 

[X-Fins]

Hi !!! I believe this paddles can help you a lot to improve your technique becuse they allow to "feel" better the water specially when you do something wrong when move your hands. In normal swimming it's used carefully because can be injured your shoulders. It's not the best way to develop or increase your muscles and remember the muscles increase the power with other type of exercise. So i recommend you the paddles for improve the technique not for develop your muscles.

Bye i hope help you

 

[subaquaticus]

Hi !!! I believe this paddles can help you a lot to improve your technique becuse they allow to "feel" better the water specially when you do something wrong when move your hands. In normal swimming it's used carefully because can be injured your shoulders. It's not the best way to develop or increase your muscles and remember the muscles increase the power with other type of exercise. So i recommend you the paddles for improve the technique not for develop your muscles.
Bye i hope help you

thanks for your post which confirms what I thought ; swimming underwater with paddles helps "feel" the water and direct your hands in the right way...

 

[immerlustig]

hi sub,

i found dnf to be extremely technical. maybe even more than the other disciplines, probably because i spend the least amount of time diving without fins.
i personally would not waste time using paddles. i'd rather spend every available minute in the pool working on technique/streamlining/relaxation/weighting.

i also do technique training only during easy dives because the more difficult a dive gets (muscle fatigue, contractions) the more technique will suffer, and that's not the point of the exercise.

i do less than 2.5 strokes in the 25 m pool (incl push-off) and still i see a lot of room for improvement.

what do you think?

roland

 

[subaquaticus]

i found dnf to be extremely technical. maybe even more than the other disciplines, probably because i spend the least amount of time diving without fins.

I also find DNF more technical than DYN with fins ; as well swimming is more technical than finswimming...

first because your legs tend to sink and weighting becomes most important...

i personally would not waste time using paddles. i'd rather spend every available minute in the pool working on technique/streamlining/relaxation/weighting.

what tips can you give me for :

1. technique ?

2. weighting : how to determine the perfect weighting (quantity, location)

i do less than 2.5 strokes in the 25 m pool (incl push-off)

incredible ! with my neck weight (2 kg) I manage to do 25 m in 5 strokes...

How do you manage 2.5 strokes ? You must be a giant....

 

[immerlustig]

hi,

the point of the exercise is to work on stroke/glide efficiency. i could imagine that 2ks are maybe too light. i think i used 3 (on the neck) but still was a bit too light. if you want to make the most of your glides being perfectly balanced is very important.

bevan dewar showed me clip where he did the 25m in 2 strokes (with push-off) and that intrigued me so during the last winter season whenever i managed to find a pool (not that many in thailand/malaysia/nepal) i gave it a go. since i only did very little dnf i suggest you search around here for some threads. also there are a few guys here with real dnf experience.

still, for technique i'd get hold of some breaststrokers and ask for technique tips. or search the internet.

later,

roland

 

[subaquaticus]

the point of the exercise is to work on stroke/glide efficiency. i could imagine that 2ks are maybe too light. i think i used 3 (on the neck) but still was a bit too light. if you want to make the most of your glides being perfectly balanced is very important.

bevan dewar showed me clip where he did the 25m in 2 strokes (with push-off) and that intrigued me so during the last winter season whenever i managed to find a pool (not that many in thailand/malaysia/nepal) i gave it a go. since i only did very little dnf i suggest you search around here for some threads. also there are a few guys here with real dnf experience.

still, for technique i'd get hold of some breaststrokers and ask for technique tips. or search the internet.

I would be curious to see such a video with 25 m in 2 strokes !

How can you tune best your weighting ? exclusively at the neck ?

 

[immerlustig]

hi,

quote:
I would be curious to see such a video with 25 m in 2 strokes !

practise and make your own
no, seriously, i will see what i can do. i do remember having read about others doing the 25m in 2 strokes.

quote:
How can you tune best your weighting ? exclusively at the neck ?

trial and error. start out with neck weights and go from there.

cheers,

roland

 

[Peter P]

The best way of finding the right weight is to take a video from the side (or to have a friend look at you). If your head is lower than your feet -our are weighted to little, and the other way around.
The whole idea of the neckweight is to attach exactly the right weight to make you swim 100% horisontal.

Best regards...

Peter P

 

[subaquaticus]

The best way of finding the right weight is to take a video from the side (or to have a friend look at you). If your head is lower than your feet -our are weighted to little, and the other way around.
The whole idea of the neckweight is to attach exactly the right weight to make you swim 100% horisontal.
Best regards... Peter P

You confirm the impression I had had comparing 2 videos of Stig Severinsen doing :

1. 133 m in DNF...

2. 166 m in DNF...

I had noticed that in the second video Stig was more horizontal than in the first one, which could explain why he was able to swim farther...

and the optimal depth ? I read that it was optimal at the middle between the surface (avoid drag due to the waves) and the bottom (avoid friction drag) ... approx . 1.50 m, isn't it ?

 

[Peter P]

Well I don´t remember the weight on his 134m (if there was any) but on the 166m he was weighted. How much -I don´t know...

The ideal weight? It depends on the depth. If you are training in a pool that is 2,5m you don´t need as much weight as if you were training in a 1,4m.
Ideal depth? I would say that if you could find the exact depth, where your lungs are compressed enough for you to swim total horisontal without neckweight, it would be perfect!
I remember swimming in pool 2,5m deep, where I did my fastest 50 w/o fins ever, so there might be something about it...

Peter P