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Extreme Dolfinism

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This is a cool underwater gliding video I made in Hawaii. If you weight yourself such that your feet sink relative to your body, the hydrofoil can be angled to generate lift to hold them up. Forward thrust is a byproduct of the lift and can be used to propel yourself along the reef. It is an underwater analogy of wing suit fliers like Jeb Corliss doing proximity flying down a mountain (only much less dangerous in terms of impact risk).

I thought it was a lot of fun and wanted to share the experience. It is a terrific and fun way to explore a reef, just gliding along it like this. You can explore a lot of reef in a saw tooth pattern, gliding down and resetting back to the top of the reef during the breath-up.

Anyway, I have not seen other videos quite like this so I thought perhaps I was on to something new. My hope is that people will make other free-gliding videos in other locations.

Underwater Proximity Free-Gliding (Free Fall #1)

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Hi Ron,

I've done the negative flying thing in swim throughs in Little Cayman, works fabulous with bifins under the right circumstances. Will be in the Bahamas next week and will try the technique with the x18.
Watching your video, I don't quite see how the fin generates thrust during the glide. It has no angle to the direction of travel. How does that work?

Connor
 
Yes, just like a sailplane wing. It works with other fins also or even with no fin at all (you can use your body to generate lift), but the increased span of the DOL-Fin foil will improve the glide slope you can achieve. This is why sailplanes have long wings.

If the glide slope is more than 30 degrees from horizontal, it feels less like gliding and more like a free fall. The angle also seriously effects how far you get to glide. For example, at a 20 degree slope you get about 3 meters of glide for every 1 meter of depth, but a 45 degree slope only provides about 1.5 meters of glide for every meter depth. So 45 is only 50% further than a pure vertical drop, but 20 degrees is 200% further than pure vertical.

I think my achieved glide slope was in the 20 to 30 degree range depending on how fast I wanted to go.
 
On further thought, I see how it works. This will fit extremely well with my reef cruising style. Can't wait!

Connor
 
I practice this in the pool frequently. The other day I got into a lane where the current was a little weird - I was able to go almost the entire length without kicking beyond the initial entry (where I bring the fin up into glide position - generating some thrust) Normally I am able to do 25 yards on one kick.
 
Just returned from a 10 day trip to the Bahamas. These are my impressions of the Dolfin x18, the prototype for the production model, x20. I used it 5 days straight and got a pretty good feel for the fin.

Impressions:

It feels like a continuation of how it felt in the pool(described farther back in this thread), but a little hard to explain The fin is highly adaptable. I had the feeling that it would do just about anything I asked it to. Very different from the feeling I get with other monos and much more like bifins. Very very comfortable, partly because of the bike shoes but something else too. I'm not too sure what it was.

Might just be me, but Eric F's comment about taking 1000 dives to get comfortable with his orca is looking more and more accurate. The fin is instantly usable, but very subtle. Its taking me a while to really mesh with it. Still, others have different experience. Azapa had previously worn a mono all of 5 minutes total, ever. He took to the x18 instantly, like he was born with one, and was diving deep before we turned around good. He will chime in directly.
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I can spearfish with it. This was the key unknown issue for me and it works fine. Still a little difficulty in turning sometimes, but that is just a technique issue. For Bahamian conditions, I think the fin will end up maneuvering for spearing as well as bifins.

The fin is relatively negative compared to bifins, has a much smaller surface area and far less drag than other fins or the body, which makes it try to fall faster than me. Temporarily solved by continuing to stroke it just a little while falling, but my trim needs adjustment.

Vertical movement is entirely different from horizontal. I had only used the fin in a pool and the surf and was caught by surprise by the difference. Weighting trim is absolutely critical. A neck weight is required, something I'd never used. I borrowed one from Azapa and the action of the fin changed dramatically. The neck weight was a little too light and I still had some weight on my belt, would have been much better on the neck. With the weighting I had, I was still tail heavy, and could not get the negative flying thing to work.

The fin is a joy to surface dive with, far far better than bifins or the monos I've tried.

Spotted dolphins go ape for the fin. They come from all around to get a close (very close) look at it. There will be videos of this action in Freediving Stories when we get the thread up. Pretty amazing.

The acceleration the fin is capable of is great. In the past,when playing with dolphins, there was no chance of catching up to them, even when they were going slow. With the x18, I could sometimes catch them from behind. Real fun and they acted surprised. I haven't needed it yet for spearing, but know it will come in very handy.

Stroking the fin uses a much wider array of muscles than bifins, which rely on relatively few, large muscle groups. Because of this, and maybe because it is more efficient, my legs did not get near as tired as with bifins. Thats good. The flip (bad) side is that relaxation is relatively hard for me. With bifins, I've gotten fairly good as using only what is needed and relaxing the rest . Can't do it yet with the x18, which makes for a much less relaxed dive. I think this is just a technique issue, but would like to know others experience.

-After 5 days, I knew what I needed to do to beat the trim issue but could not do it on the boat, so I switched back to bifins for everything but dolphins. Next time out I should have the trim issue solved.

Overall, I liked it very much. In lots of ways it is far superior to bifins or any other mono I've tried and where it is not (yet), mostly that is fixable. I'm pretty sure I'll be hanging up my bifins.


Two things to fix the trim issue. First a series of neck weights of different sizes. Second, I'm going to play with adding some incompressible flotation under the shoes where drag won't be an issue. I can make blocks of 4 lb density foam and shape them as needed, or maybe find out where Eric got his micro-balloons. Don't think it will take much flotation and too much might interfere with the fins action on the surface. Time to tinker.

Ron, we got some killer video and stills of the fin, spearfishing and dolphins. Check out the links when we get them up. Might be some useful marketing stuff there.
 
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I know, I bend my knees too much?!

The dives all felt so easy. The first was downright weird and wonky, this is about the 5th. If the bottom had been deeper and we had more time I would have had confidence to put another 10 to 15m on. The 7mm bootees I used to fit Cdavis footpockets were compressing quite a lot and made the fin feel a little loose down there.

Any ideas why the heels are more open than the toes? The shoes seem fitted that way. Can't they be parallel?

Great fin, surface cruising was fine too. As mentioned, I really never have used a monofin of any kind before.

 
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....they were very nice and soft kicks though.
 
The x18 seems to work very well using small kicks, but lots of them. Streamlining feels better, I'm not sure about overall efficiency.

Connor
 
They look like happy little kicks.
I've been thinking some about the whole ascent-with-a-monofin business.
In the past I've been a fan of big undulations but, after watching the vid of Will's dive to 100m I've wondered if small ones might not better preserve streamline and save energy.
 
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I'm liking big kicks off of the bottom to get moving from a standstill, but reduce the amplitude as I get 10-15m up to a streamlined rocket with smaller amplitude kicks, once my speed is up.
 
Any ideas why the heels are more open than the toes? The shoes seem fitted that way. Can't they be parallel?

Can you explain this question? I'm not sure I understand. Are you referring to the cut of the shoe, how the shoe is mounted to the frame, or something else?
 
Ron, the shoes are mounted to the fins with the heels about 1 to 2cm wider than the toes. Is this the way they should be?
 
from my perspective, I have also obsessed literally for years over a newer monofin, for me specifically for waves and to get more air. Most of my ideas I am afraid to disclose, as a few of my extremely good inventions, IE-mountain board, went into production, and was a nice success, after I blabbed all over San Clemente my idea, had the pics, but no cash to back the project, So be careful. As far as I thought lunocet's angle was designed from the idea that the top of the foot, is the top, when while swimming, the top is now the bottom. The angle of the blade is wrong. The Newer Aerospace blade looks cool, but pretty wide, if its to function in the ocean, not a pool. Kind of takes away the idea of very quick angles and movement...good for going strait. The way I see it, if I could give you a tip, is nature is always the best...I studied dolphin tales specifically from surf dwellers, which vary slightly from pelagic types. Interesting. Also, I considered the angle of the foot, the natural fast butterfly kick does not mean the feet are exactly strait and parallel, although all the current fins are feet strait together and parallel. The tapering out idea of the foot is good, but I still think even that can be improved. I guess it all boils down to where you want to take the fin, as far as width, just deep? Pools? or in between rocks and in caverns?? So you ruled out pools, that's good, so truly it wouldn't even benefit to listen to the nay-saying pool dwellers. lol. Stick to whats in your heart.
 
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