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Fatal accident in NEMO33

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Unfortunately I have another sad news for the freediving community. There was a fatal accident in the world's deepest diving tower NEMO33 in Belgium.

The guy, an employee of the facility, freedived alone, after closing hours, and was found at the bottom of the tower by colleagues minutes later.

More details here:
Didier Hulders se noie à la piscine Nemo 33*d'Uccle - lameuse.be

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My condolences to the family, friends, and also to all European freedivers, since it may now become even more difficult to freedive in diving towers around Europe!
 
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i'm sorry to heard such sad news, but i don't understand why it may become more difficult to freedive in diving towers?
 
For example in NEMO33 they did not accept freedivers for a very long time. They opened it recently, but claimed that after a single samba or blackout they ban freedivers completely again. I'd tell that having a fatal accident will have much more serious consequences than just an innocent blackout, and never mind that it was an employee of the facility who did not respect any safety rules, and had no freedving training. If you knew the mentality of the managements of these facilities, you would know that they search for any good pretext for banning freedivers.

So I would really wonder if they'd let freedivers into NEMO33 again. And since our own 20m diving tower here in Lyon just banned freedivers a few weeks ago, our hope to get it reopen vanished completely with this latest news. It is true that in our eyes such accident of an irresponsible lone-diver without any formal freediving training is rather an argument supporting organized freediving, but try explaining it to the management!
 
Same if an scuba diver, irresponsibly suffer a fatal accident. Not fair to ban freedivers for that..
 
Sad news. An accident that is associated with freediving although it is unclear from the information at hand what he was in fact doing in the pool at that late hour. Unfortunately, it does not help at all our sport irrespective of what happened, as long as he did not have scuba gear on, it will be assumed he was freediving.
 
Sure, probably it'll be a "swimming/snorkelling" accident too... We were planning a trip to Nemo33 this fall and I really hope everything will be cleared.
 
ugh... horrible news my condolences to his friends and family.

I hope for the divers in the area, this doesn't shut down the facility.

I run into more and more pools that will not allow me to teach classes in their pools. They have read the pool trade show article "Dying for Air." It describes a untrained static apnea fatality. The conclusion is freedivers are crazy, don't let them in your pool.

If there was an increase in drownings in the local community would they ban swim lessons? Of course not, they'd be ecstatic someone was teaching people swim and not drown.

Same does not apply to freediving, the pool people and general population does not understand the difference between trained and untrained. I'm trying to STOP the fatalities....
 
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Oh no, sad news...

Adding to the pain is the frustration of Nemo33 finally opening the doors for freedivers and then this... not even a freediver.

- J
 
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samba or blackout are incidents that hapens in freediving training, but we all know that properly supervized, tey are not letal [safety protocols, etc]
i know that when i dived in isverna cave, the GESS chief asked me to sign a paper in wich i claimed that i enter on myown risk
those kind of document are meant to take the responsability from the owner shoulders...
i say that banning ORGANISED freediving in that kind of pool, after this kind of accident is absurde and silly...
it-s like someone are banning the wighway just because a morron had a car accident on it...
c'mon people!!!
 
Now explain it to the NEMO33 management!

i don't have to do that because i suppose those kind of management positions are filled with sane and educated people who can process in that maner
if not, than he is from roumania....sad!
 
The education plays no role in this case. It is a private facility and their goal is not the development of freedving, but primary the profit. They will limit any activities that they consider not worth of the money and troubles they potentionally represent. I guess they can live and work very well even without freedivers at all, so they don't care where the problem really came from.

However, all this is just a speculation, let's wait their statement first. Perhaps we are just expecting the worst without any reason.

BTW: have a look at the statement of Fred Buyle: accident nemo 33
 
We all know he is right (we are all on the same bank of the river), but it still does not mean that the management of NEMO33 shares the thoughts, and that the facility will stay open for freedivers.
 
i'm very sorry, but i'm frustrated :(
we are struglling here with practically no logistic to make things work and those who have the proper logistic can think like that?
i know what money means...i run my-own bussines in architectural projects, but i never let the stupidity and the greed to overcome my good sense...
but perhaps the real needs, when it hurts, make me think twice in everything before i took a decision...and the real needs, when it hurts, means that you need but you don't get!
is so simple to take away and so hard to give, isn't it?
but of course...perhaps we shall wayt and see...
again i-m sorry...
 
and i know that we are all on the same bank of the river....
 
However, all this is just a speculation, let's wait their statement first. Perhaps we are just expecting the worst without any reason.

BTW: have a look at the statement of Fred Buyle: accident nemo 33

hi ivo - i think many expect the worst because there is already such a barrier to entry on many pools - here in the US it is next to impossible to get a municipal pool to allow us to train - and some systems like YMCA have banned any breath-hold training outright (yet they allow UW hockey which IMHO is far more dangerous!!!)

hopefully Nemo 33's mgmt will see it for what it is - an unfortunate accident that has just an accident - not a symptom of our safety-conscious sport. :crutch

kp
 
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hi ivo - i think many expect the worst because there is already such a barrier to entry on many pools - here in the US it is next to impossible to get a municipal pool to allow us to train - and some systems like YMCA have banned any breath-hold training outright (yet they allow UW hockey which IMHO is far more dangerous!!!)
Yes, you are right. And I think this is exactly the domain where AIDA should help. Finally AIDA is the association for the development of apnea, so helping freedivers with the access to the pools should be the primary goal for all national AIDA organisations, as well as for the international AIDA.

How to do it? Well, we could have a look at some of the relatively successful national organisations such as the FFESSM in France, or FIPSAS in Italy. We would have absolutely no chance to train in any pools either if we were not associated to the FFESSM. It is possible only thanks to the know-how, and the warranties of the FFESSM, and thanks to their insurance contracts with one of the major national insurance agency (AXA). In this way many clubs have a quite inexpensive access to the public pools (some of them have even free access).

The FFESSM (CMAS) is a state recognized association. The instructor training includes also information about legal responsibilities. It includes state certified apnea-specific CPR training. Each FFESSM licensee is automatically insured for any accidents in the pool by the AXA agency. The FFESSM gives a legal and organisation help to clubs, etc, etc.

All this is mostly missing at AIDA, at least in the countries I have the experience with. We should establish a working group that will prepare a package and a how-to manual for people trying to found a club. It should include legal advices, strategies and letter templates for the contact with municipalities, pool managements, insurance agencies, and other bureaucrats. AIDA should attempt to create a general contract with some insurance agency, that would offer some warranties also toward the pool owners. AIDA instructor licences should mandatory include state-approved CPR courses. AIDA should enforce regular safety accident drills (like the FFESSM does). AIDA should have clear directives for the safety during trainings - setting the maximal number of freedivers per instructor, define which level of instructor is needed for which type of training, defining the minimal surveillance (for example we have to have a dedicated life-guard + an instructor who is not training himself in the same time with others). AIDA should have legal advisers helping in complicated cases. AIDA should keep statistics about accidents, and have documents ready clearly demonstrating to the authorities that qualified freediving prevents accidents, while uneducated unorganized freediving (that is impossible to ban anyway) poses the main risk, hence showing them that it is in their own interest to support organized freediving. AIDA should have documents, fliers, and brochures for the contact with schools and the general public promoting safe principles, and warning against the most serious risks of freediving (like diving alone, hyperventilating, etc) - I think this kind of public action would change the image of AIDA, and would help with the acknowledgement of freediving as a serious sport, not an adrenalin hazard that it is currently looked at.
 
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