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"Fishing to be banished in network of marine parks"

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From the Sunday Times, News section P11, today, March 11th 2007:

Fishing to be banished in network of marine parks-News-UK-TimesOnline

"BRITAIN is planning to set up a string of marine conservation areas where commercial fishing will be banned up to 200 miles from the coastline.
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Once the proposals have become law, a powerful new Marine Management Organisation (MMO) will designate the zones in which all fishing and other “extractive” activity, including oil wells, will be banned.
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The aim is to create areas where creatures ranging from tiny corals and shellfish to the largest basking sharks can flourish, recreating the complex food chains that have been destroyed by industrial fishing.

“This is the biggest change to marine law in a century,” Bradshaw said. “It will at last enable us to manage our seas properly, including protecting marine life, while allowing development where appropriate.”

His move will be greeted with enthusiasm by conservation groups. A study by the Marine Conservation Society warned that industrial fishing had turned swathes of the seabed around Britain into a lifeless desert.
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As an interim measure, Bradshaw will announce eight new “special areas of conservation” (SACs) within the 200-mile zone; but he will not have the power to ban fishing in these until the bill has been passed.

There are already 63 SACs but all are close inshore. The new ones will be larger and further out to sea, including areas such as the Dogger Bank in the North Sea, the North Norfolk Sandbanks and the Darwin Mounds coral reef off northwest Scotland, where trawling is already banned by the EU.

Fishermen are dismayed. Jim Linstead, chief executive of the Eastern England Fish Producers Organisation, predicted that the new agencies proposed by Bradshaw meant there would soon be more civil servants than fishermen. “Marine reserves will be a disaster for the fishing industry,” he said. “Eventually we will be unable to enter the reserves, banned from the windfarms and left unable to make a living.”

To head off the European fishing lobby, Bradshaw argues that his power to extend conservation areas derives from the European birds and habitats directive, which was issued in 1989 and has so far only partly been enacted into British law.

Many of his proposals will be controversial, especially a plan to give sea anglers a stronger role on the sea fisheries committees that manage local fisheries. These have been dominated by commercial fishermen but Bradshaw has decided to change this in recognition of the fact that leisure angling has become a more important source of revenue for many coastal communities.

He is also proposing a “light touch” licensing system for marine development, aimed at making it far easier to obtain planning permission for wind turbines.
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I second that, but I would go a step further. A moratorium on all commercial fishing(at least trawling, longlining, set netting. If you want to eat fish you either have to catch it yourself or have someone share their quota with you if your unable to get to the water.
Here in New Zealand we have a booming seafood farming industry. That sort of resource needs to be strengthened and encouraged.
I do feel for those that make their living from the rape of the ocean but their industry is doomed if it continues in it's current manner. Those with boats need to look to fish/ shellfish farming for their future income.
It may be a hard pill to swallow but it is the only reality.
 
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I second that, but I would go a step further. A moratorium on all commercial fishing(at least trawling, longlining, set netting. If you want to eat fish you either have to catch it yourself or have someone share their quota with you if your unable to get to the water.
Here in New Zealand we have a booming seafood farming industry. That sort of resource needs to be strengthened and encouraged.
I do feel for those that make their living from the rape of the ocean but their industry is doomed if it continues in it's current manner. Those with boats need to look to fish/ shellfish farming for their future income.
It may be a hard pill to swallow but it is the only reality.


I wish this could happen. I doubt the masses would go for it though:vangry
 
It's a whole lot more complicated than banning fishing altogether.

Both my father and my brother are commercial fisherman in Cornwall. They work with very tight quota laws and with a great respect for the marine environment, born of a desire to hand their business over to their children and their children's children - and of course to make it sustainable as an income earner over their own lifetimes.

Of course there are exceptions, such as super trawlers that just haul up everything (including the fixed nets my family use) in their path indiscriminately, and the scallopers who literally plough the sea bed - but don't tar all fishermen with the same brush.

My father and brother are part of a large group of fishermen working WITH the government on setting up these marine park zones - working out where they should be put so that the fishermen can work with them. They also work with all kinds of monitoring agencies. At the moment, my brother has an almost full time extra crewman who comes from an agency monitoring marine mammal catches. He is also trialling a new "pinger" device on his nets that warns dolphins (through the sonar) that the net is there - so they see it as a wall in front of them and do not swim into it.

Just a few things there to make you think twice before damning the industry entirely. We all know it is not realistic to make everyone buy a spear gun just because they fancy a tuna sandwich. Wild fish caught by fisherman is a pure, healthy, important part of our diets.

Sam
 
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Well put Sam, it’s the odd brown apple that needs to be thrown out not the whole pile.
Without doubt it’s the super trawlers, the big pair trawlers and a lot of the commercial scallop boats that are doing the damage. Thin some of those out and there will be enough to keep the smaller operators with a more green outlook and the pleasure fisherman either rod and line or speargun happy.
 
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Just look at the disgusting scenario which unfolds at the start of every year off the Channel Islands; hundreds and thousands of spawning bass taken by pair trawlers and Fisheries people are absolutely fine with it. SPAWNING fish for Christ's sake, these people should all be shot in my opinion.....Who will they blame when all of a sudden there are no bass left in the western approaches? Global warming?
 
Watching the recent TV series on commercial fishermen gave some interesting insights. They are good, hardworking people, taking considerable risks to put food on their families' tables (and ours), often in remote communities. You could also see the considerable commercial pressures they are under to return with a big catch - the million pound bank loans for the boat, the fuel costs of thousands of pounds for a single long trip out, 30-40K pound loss if they loose the nets & gear.

One surprise for me, is that so many fish caught by British fishermen are exported (I can't recall the % but I think it was high ... maybe somebody on the forum knows? I think it was more than 50%). We should probably make an effort to eat more of the seafood caught here - try new things, buy more fresh seafood, caught responsibly.
 
at least 80% is exported - nearly everything my family catches goes to France or Spain.
 
at least 80% is exported - nearly everything my family catches goes to France or Spain.
I had a feeling it was around the 80% mark but didn't want to quote it without a reference, as it is so high. Seems a shame that we don't use more of it here, the variety at our local fish stall is very limited, traditional British fish (cod, haddock, mackeral, salmon, trout, herring, winkles) -- may be we should put in requests. Cod must be the most requested fish (easy to remember/spell?) - but most other fish are at least as good to eat and usually better (personal taste of course). I spoke to a former fisherman down in E. Devon last year, apparently they don't even bother with fish anymore, they catch crab, all or almost all for the French market.
 
I wonder how can they do that 200 miles off the coast: that's international waters, who has the authority on them?
But I'd rather tahe the chance of this thread to warn you UK friends to be careful with the coastal marine park issue. I can call myself an environmentalist, I've been also been a member of the Green party, but my experience with coastal MP's in my country is worse than I could ever imagine in the worst of my nightmares.
In all of them spearfishing is forbidden, in almost all of them trawling is allowed!
I warn you british spearos to be very, very careful about the marine park issue. If they do in the UK the same they did here, they will protect nothing, they will just ban spearfishing and privatize the sea. A disgrace, the concept of our MP's is the following: you can dive only with tanks, only in organized groups, only if you pay a fee to the local diving agency. That's sh.....t.
 
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I sit on the Cornwall Marine Protected Areas Working Group as the British Spearfishing Association representative.
Part of the problem is that no one believes they are responsible for any damage to the environment, it is all the fault of; commercial fishermen, scallopers, anglers, divers, pollution, seals, spearos, the Spanish etc etc (delete as applicable), so they see no reason to change their own behaviour
One of the problems with commercial fishing is that no one owns any particular area, so there is a "get it before someone else does" culture amongst fishermen. Lyme Bay is a good example of this; there was a voluntary agreement to prevent scalloping in sensitive areas, but when fuel prices rose, one boat started working the inshore (protected) ground, so then everyone else waded in. The only way to protect areas is with legislation
Commercial fishermen aren't bad people, but often just dont realise the damage they are doing. Last year I was at a Cornwall Sea Fisheries Committe meeting where cetacean bycatch was being discussed. A representative from the Cornwall Fish Producers Organisation said she didn't see what the problem was, as surely thinning out the dolphin population should result in more fish for her members to catch:head
MPAs are not perfect,but I do think they can be a good thing if handled properly. This is why I sit on the commitee, I want to avoid the kind of situation Spaghetti describes. Mind you, as long as a weak willed tosser like Ben Bradshaw is in charge of Fisheries I cant see anything happening (anyone else notice the increase in Bass minimum landing size has been dropped after pressure from the commercial lobby?)
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dave
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... A representative from the Cornwall Fish Producers Organisation said she didn't see what the problem was, as surely thinning out the dolphin population should result in more fish for her members to catch:head
...This is why I sit on the committee, I want to avoid the kind of situation Spaghetti describes. Mind you, as long as a weak willed tosser like Ben Bradshaw is in charge of Fisheries I cant see anything happening
Glad to hear spearos are involved -- it wouldn't take much to eradicate this pursuit, for better & worse, we are off the radar for most folk. I agree with your comments (esp. about Ben Bradshaw:)).

Re. the Dolphin comment (reminicent of seal clubbing from a PR perspective), there is a debate going on in the countryside/hunting lobby about managing predators at the moment, which feature on Radio 4 a couple of weeks ago. Well meaning "conservationists" have been releasing predators into the British eco-system at increasing levels, some were formerly here but erradicated (esp. predatory birds, perhaps from falcon centres? wolves), some are new (mink, American cray, Chinese Mitten crabs,...) and others there is some debate over whether or not they ever were here before (e.g. fish eagles). They are having a devastating impact on prey specifies in some areas. In another R4 debate recently, somebody took apart RSPB assertions that pesticides were responsible for a sudden drop in hedgerow birds in Norfolk; he used RSPB's only figures about the successful reintroduction of a bird of prey (peregrin falcon or sparrow hawk I think) to show that the birds of prey concerned would consume almost half a million small hedgerow birds a year -- enough to fully explain the sudden drop in bird population. I have noticed an increase in large prey birds recently - although I drive a couple of miles away from a hawk centre each day, and they admit that some of the former inmates are wild in the area now (red kites by the looks of it) -- the huge American bald eagles are free flown over several miles too but they generally return home. [Good to see the Cornish Cough made it back by itself though...apparently due to increased grazing by cattle near cliffs].

Also agree with Spaghetti, govt. intervention can be the kiss of death. Be careful what you wish for ... it might come true. Also, watch your wallets (& pension). Like Spaniard said, its all due to global warming!rofl (So let's build more run ways at all the major airports, wage a war half way round the world & sign a deal with the US to fly 25 million more people back & forth across the atlantic each year -- "joined up thinking"?). Cynical ol' me.
 
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Spaghetti has a valid point if no one is allowed to go there then who will watch out for the well being of the enviornment. We found out here that a catch and release season allowed for anglers to carefully handle the fish and return them. It provided sport and a watch dog community which really cuts down on misuse of the resource. They also spotted things that otherwise were not see before such as polluted runoff events. For the price of a little education the sportsmen can have their cake and eat some too.
 
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