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[maytag]

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Unfortunately, I'm only a phd not md and also unfortunately not a nurse. I do health/clinical research and have worked on various aspects of clincial and non-clinical studies in academic departments of internal medicine.

I subscribe to the freediving list, as well as the diving accidents list. I was reading some scuba diving magazines last month on my way to a wedding and had the following crazy(?) idea: does it seem to anyone else that heart attack incidents don't always emerge at deep depth, but rather upon ascent? Nitrogen dissolves faster into fat than water. I wonder if, at depth, nitrogen may dissolve into fatty arterial plaques; upon ascent, depending on the amount of plaque in the vessels, and depending on the rate of ascent, could it be possible that nitrogen bubbles may disrupt/dislodge the plaques thereby causing a coronary event - and one which does not occur at depth, but rather upon ascent during a dive?

Sorry I'm not a MD. However, I echo BillM and Bill in wondering what the original source of the claim that "chemically lowering cholesterol has proven to have zero affect on life expectancy." It makes me very curious about the sample and methodology of that study or those studies. I am someone who dislikes spending money on meds, too. But, that claim does raise red flags in my mind. I will look around but if someone knows the studies or has more information, it would be great if you could please share the citations.

Come to think of it, I think there is a physician who was posting on Will's Training diary thread... maybe he'll post here.

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[BananaMan]

My condolences to Jorge Francisco's family and friends for this tragic accident.

Here is a little more about my friend Clint Koberstein.

Dear Friends,

The Los Angeles Fathomiers and the Southern California freediving
spearfishing community is saddened by the passing of our past Fathomier
President Clint Koberstein.

Last November 07, 2006 Clint was freediving off his Kayak at the Channel
Island Harbor entrance break wall, in Southern California, in a relative
shallow area.

Clint and his dive partner were night diving for lobsters, like he had done
many of times, unfortunately later that night Clint was found unconscious
floating face up, Clint was then rushed to the hospital where they
continued resuscitation efforts and tried to keep his vitals going. In the
hospital Clint remained for a few days where later it was determined that
he was unable to make the recovery, he did not make it.
Afterward was determined that he suffered from a heart attack. He was 32
years young of age.


Clint Koberstein was a friend, brother, husband and most of all a great
person who touched many of our lives.

Clint Koberstein was and will remain in our hearts forever he was a great
individual who gave so much at all times, his characteristics were
absolutely amazing. He always was positive, laughing and always there to
help. We will missed your smile and the sparkle in your eyes, he was a great
teacher always going out of his way to help any new diver and share his
knowledge.

I just want to say that with much sympathy to his wife Tina and his family
that he will be missed and truly appreciated.
He was an inspiration to many of us and will remain an inspiration today
tomorrow and forever.

Clint was a superb diver, and even better friend. Anyone that was around him
felt his great positive attitude, his love and excitement for the sport, he
was a skilled underwater hunter with fantastic deep diving skills and breath
hold times and our top Fathomier competitor.

He was excellent at making life seem so much easier than we find it for
ourselves.

We had so many wonderful times together, laughing, enjoying life diving
together, the weekend before his accident we were privileged to spend time
with Clint in Catalina Island, that day like many times before he told us
that he Loved us, care for us and missed us.

The memories are countless the laughs are priceless all we know is that he
will live in our hearts forever. Clint you are gone now but we will never
forget you, we know you are in a better place now.

PICTURE OF CALIFORNIA SUNRISE BY CLINT KOBERSTEIN

Erik Banados
LA FATHOMIERS President
www.fathomiers.net
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Fathomiers
fathomier@socal.rr.com

 

[BananaMan]

More recent pictures of Clint.

 

[neil burnie]

Thanks Bill, good point......
I have a good friend on the drugs but I haven't talked to him for a while,so I'll
give him a call. As a veterinarian(!) we don't see cholesterol causing arterial disease, so it seems to pay to be a dog........
I would advise taking a stress test but we had a guy in Bda given a clean bill of health at the local Hosp after mild chest pain...died two days later of a massive Coronary.

Neil

 

[island_sands]

thanks for posting that Erik, a very sad and unfortunate accident.

 

[Jon]

It may be just me, but I am highly skeptical when I hear the diving accident was caused by a heart attack. All drownings end in heart attacks and that just seems like a neat way to tidy up all the loose ends in a police investigation. There could be a million different things that lead up to the final heart attack.

An incident that happened around here about 20 years ago went like this: The divers left a bar at 10pm and decided to try an Ice dive in a small open section of the nearby lake (both had been drinking and neither one had a line to find their way back out). After entering the water they got separated in the silt and couldn't find their way back out. Autopsy shows they died of a heart attack! Of course they DIED of the heart attack, but they got lost under the ice, ran out of air, and drowned first- the heart attack was the final link in the chain of events that took place.

I know that there are plenty of divers with health issues out there, I certified one 300+ pound guy a few years ago with a huge zipper scar down the center of his chest but the doctor cleared him to dive.:hmm I just think that a lot of other issues get neatly tied together in the end by the blanket term "heart attack".

Just my $0.02 and everyone is free to disagree.

The drowning sequence


Begins with panic or struggle followed by submersion with breath-holding


Then water swallowing before passing out


Within 3 minutes of being under water, lose consciousness


Within 5 minutes, the brain suffers damage


Then the heart goes into an irregular rhythm before it stops beating

Jon

 

[Bill McIntyre]

It may be just me, but I am highly skeptical when I hear the diving accident was caused by a heart attack. All drownings end in heart attacks and that just seems like a neat way to tidy up all the loose ends in a police investigation. There could be a million different things that lead up to the final heart attack.

Thanks Jon. I had been thinking the same thing.

 

[Freediver81]

May he rest in peace!

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