• Welcome to the DeeperBlue.com Forums, the largest online community dedicated to Freediving, Scuba Diving and Spearfishing. To gain full access to the DeeperBlue.com Forums you must register for a free account. As a registered member you will be able to:

    • Join over 47,943+ fellow diving enthusiasts from around the world on this forum
    • Participate in and browse from over 531,990+ posts.
    • Communicate privately with other divers from around the world.
    • Post your own photos or view from 7,455+ user submitted images.
    • All this and much more...

    You can gain access to all this absolutely free when you register for an account, so sign up today!

Hands Above the Head

Thread Status: Hello , There was no answer in this thread for more than 90 days.
It can take a long time to get an up-to-date response or contact with relevant users.

anthropisces

Well-Known Member
Jun 8, 2006
119
11
108
A buddy and I were recently discussing what is the benefit of extending one's arms above the head or in front of the head (if swimming horizontally).

It is easy to think that fluids are doing things that they are not because intuition is often wrong when considering objects moving through fluid media.

One might assume that the extended arms in some way "Prepare the Way" for the rest of the body, by grooming the flow prior to the rest of the body's entry. In that case one might think that the effect is similar to tailing a truck on the highway as they did on mythbusters to achieve better fuel economy. One might also assume that there is a streamlining effect which is achieved. Instead of pushing the shoulders and head into the water first the hands part the water and in that way the difference is like that between the shape of a moving van and that of a Ferrari.

I understand the advantages of putting a boat tail on something like a rifle bullet, on the leading and trailing shapes of submarines and on aircraft. It didn't seem to me though that extending the arms would provide the type of pressure management that those things impart because the legs are kicking behind the diver; the trailing shape is doing a lot of shape changing in the case of stereo kicking where extended arms also help (not just during monofinning).

Perhaps some or all those factors come into play. At the velocities that we move at, in water, I'm skeptical that streamlining or any of those other factors do much. I do a fair amount of computer analysis with some pretty spendy thermal-fluids software but I couldn't pin down why putting the arms above the head offered an advantage.

I felt certain that viscous drag was the culprit and tried lots of swimming with my arms plastered to my sides to try to decrease the wetted area. It made very little difference.

I finally had to concede that extended arms does increase efficiency. I used to be a deny-er of that and swam for years with my arms at my sides. Some new buddies though recently shamed me into increased shoulder flexibility and once I started getting some form I had to admit that it does make things a lot easier. I am now even willing to pay the penalty of straining a bit to keep them out there because of how noticeable the efficiency gain is.


I asked a buddy of mine who is a PhD thermal/fluids guy. He doesn't just have the credentials but also a demonstrated ability in terms of both the mathematics and where the rubber meets the road...literally since he's done lots of work on dragsters and other performance vehicles as well as aircraft and in the space program. He's saved my ass a lot of times.

His feeling was that gains one feels by extending the arms are due to an effect similar to what is known as hull speed which governs the dynamics of a displacement hull ship moving through water. By extending the arms, the length of the body is synergistic with the wave created by the diver moving through the water.

I thought the community might like to kick this around a bit.
 
Very interesting. I have done a lot of experimenting with this subject too. I discarded your friends feelings early when I read the hull speed formula. Not sure but it would seem to indicate that there would be no difference until 1.3 meters per second or so. I believe the increase comes from a narrower frontal area, smoother cross-section transitions and eliminating the bump of the shoulders (form drag).
I'm strictly a hobbyist with almost no formal training.
 
I wonder if artificially extending ones form is possible; something one would grasp that would also be braced against the arms. I wonder if one could enhance or determine whatever effect is responsible.
 
DeeperBlue.com - The Worlds Largest Community Dedicated To Freediving, Scuba Diving and Spearfishing

ABOUT US

ISSN 1469-865X | Copyright © 1996 - 2026 DeeperBlue Global Media Limited.

DeeperBlue.com is an independent digital media platform dedicated to Scuba Diving, Freediving, Ocean Advocacy, and Dive Travel.

Since 1996, we’ve been informing, educating, and inspiring the global diving community through trusted news, features, and shared community experience.

ADVERT