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Help Refurbishing a pair of old Mares Ministen guns

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diddavetellyou

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Hi,

I went to buy a second hand gun from a guy called Lou who was advertising on the DB forums. He happens to live in Cornwall not to far away so I went down to have a look at the 90cm Imersion concept pro he had and bought it. It is now in bits for a respray and service (was a bit corroded nothing major but in need of some tlc) but that is for another post. He also in threw in a matched pair of old looking Mares Ministen Pneumatic guns, one working one not.

I read most popgun pete’s Sticky: "Vacuum Barrels" aka "Dry Barrels" a while ago before I had any spearguns, very interesting. Yesterday to take apart and have a look at what I had i read this Sticky: Pneumatic dismantling: how to get inside also by pete.


So to find out what was wrong with the not working one I Striped them both down to compare the internals and found;

Not much oil inside either of the guns to speak of, everything was greasy but no excess oil to drain out.

The rubber seals around the inlet valve are badly perished and on one, one is missing. Both have bayonet fitting and came with one pump for the pair.

The non working one had no piston apart from that everything looked the same pretty much.

On closer inspection on the shock absorber inside the head of one of the guns was in backwards and the metal was cracked causing it to disintegrate when I tried to remove it

Putting them back together I noticed that one of the trigger mechs was stiff and sticky and might need a strip and rebuild with new O-rings etc.


Having had a good look at the internals and put them Back together I tested the working one for leaks. Using only 8 or 10 pumps I submerged it in the bath and found that there was a slow leak from the holes in the head, 1 bubble every 3-5 seconds and I am assuming that this would get worse with more pressure?

From what I can find on DB and the web at large I have 2 options; new pistons for both or, make my own and get an O-ring and skirt kit.

The pros and cons as I see them are.
New;
Pros - should be perfect fit and would mean I have 2 working guns.
Cons - cost $30 each plus postage to the UK (cant find any in the UK or even Europe), the internal surface of the barrel might be damaged causing the leak thus waste of money (I’m a student)

Home made:
Pros - I’m at uni and can get free access to a lathe and tools to turn my own design in metal or plastic, if I can get a skirt it should fit and give me 2 working guns, it is also the cheep option.
Cons - it’ll take time, getting n O-ring and skirt kit, it might not work (I’m doing an engineering degree so I should be able to do it).

So if anyone can you give me an idea of how old the guns are? And maybe some help on where to go from here it would be appreciated.


diddavetellyou

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The earliest "Sten" guns have a butt cap held on with a metal rod, the next editions have the butt cap held on with a self-tapping screw, so your guns are from the seventies would be my guess. Later editions have no butt cap at all, just a plastic lug molded at the rear of the butt opening for a line to be tied to if you wanted a lanyard attachment there. You can use later parts in those older guns as most items will still fit, but there were a couple of changes. The inlet valve is a stem type rather than a ball type in early guns, so you need an "O" ring that fits that valve stem and you should be able to find one from an engineering supplier of miniature "O" rings, just take the old one as a sample to be matched, that is what I did. The other change was in the trigger transmission pin, in the early guns the "pin" is a dumbbell shape with the "O" ring in the centre of it which slides in the bore made for it in the plastic handle. I have never had to change that dumbbell "O" ring, but it will be different to the later versions which actually use a pin. The dumbbell and its "O" ring push out, there is no screw cover like you see in later guns which use a sliding pin. If the bore that the dumbbell slides in is scratched then the rear handle molding has to be replaced, I guess that is why Mares changed the design to use an actual pin. I remember seeing discarded "Sten" handles in a dive shop junk box for that very reason.

Muzzles can be replaced with later ones, but plastic pistons are best used with the plastic shock absorbers, metal pistons with metal shock absorbers. Inner barrel bores can have a lined appearance, but that does not mean that they are badly scratched as the lines are micro-scratches that don't cause air leaks, every pneumatic gun develops those marks with use. Bad scratches corrode as the scratches have gone through the anodized coating that otherwise protects the alloy of the inner barrels. It is better to replace such inner barrels, however the cost may not make it an economic proposition compared with buying another secondhand gun.

Repairing pneumatic spearguns is a bit of a "suck it and see" exercise, there are no guarantees, but patience is often rewarded if you work methodically and replace the seals with new ones, however if you don't disturb them some "O" rings may still seal OK. The "O" rings tend to conform to the seat that they sit on over time, if you revolve them to a new position on plastic seats they often don't seal as some imperfection that they sat on previously is now in a new position, i.e. the mold parting line on the plastic part in question. New "O" rings are flexible enough to envelop such tiny mold flaws, but old ones lose that flexibility and usually have to go back in exactly the same position. Easier said than done!
 
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