Hi,
I went to buy a second hand gun from a guy called Lou who was advertising on the DB forums. He happens to live in Cornwall not to far away so I went down to have a look at the 90cm Imersion concept pro he had and bought it. It is now in bits for a respray and service (was a bit corroded nothing major but in need of some tlc) but that is for another post. He also in threw in a matched pair of old looking Mares Ministen Pneumatic guns, one working one not.
I read most popgun pete’s Sticky: "Vacuum Barrels" aka "Dry Barrels" a while ago before I had any spearguns, very interesting. Yesterday to take apart and have a look at what I had i read this Sticky: Pneumatic dismantling: how to get inside also by pete.
So to find out what was wrong with the not working one I Striped them both down to compare the internals and found;
Not much oil inside either of the guns to speak of, everything was greasy but no excess oil to drain out.
The rubber seals around the inlet valve are badly perished and on one, one is missing. Both have bayonet fitting and came with one pump for the pair.
The non working one had no piston apart from that everything looked the same pretty much.
On closer inspection on the shock absorber inside the head of one of the guns was in backwards and the metal was cracked causing it to disintegrate when I tried to remove it
Putting them back together I noticed that one of the trigger mechs was stiff and sticky and might need a strip and rebuild with new O-rings etc.
Having had a good look at the internals and put them Back together I tested the working one for leaks. Using only 8 or 10 pumps I submerged it in the bath and found that there was a slow leak from the holes in the head, 1 bubble every 3-5 seconds and I am assuming that this would get worse with more pressure?
From what I can find on DB and the web at large I have 2 options; new pistons for both or, make my own and get an O-ring and skirt kit.
The pros and cons as I see them are.
New;
Pros - should be perfect fit and would mean I have 2 working guns.
Cons - cost $30 each plus postage to the UK (cant find any in the UK or even Europe), the internal surface of the barrel might be damaged causing the leak thus waste of money (I’m a student)
Home made:
Pros - I’m at uni and can get free access to a lathe and tools to turn my own design in metal or plastic, if I can get a skirt it should fit and give me 2 working guns, it is also the cheep option.
Cons - it’ll take time, getting n O-ring and skirt kit, it might not work (I’m doing an engineering degree so I should be able to do it).
So if anyone can you give me an idea of how old the guns are? And maybe some help on where to go from here it would be appreciated.
diddavetellyou
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have dry-bag will travel
I went to buy a second hand gun from a guy called Lou who was advertising on the DB forums. He happens to live in Cornwall not to far away so I went down to have a look at the 90cm Imersion concept pro he had and bought it. It is now in bits for a respray and service (was a bit corroded nothing major but in need of some tlc) but that is for another post. He also in threw in a matched pair of old looking Mares Ministen Pneumatic guns, one working one not.
I read most popgun pete’s Sticky: "Vacuum Barrels" aka "Dry Barrels" a while ago before I had any spearguns, very interesting. Yesterday to take apart and have a look at what I had i read this Sticky: Pneumatic dismantling: how to get inside also by pete.
So to find out what was wrong with the not working one I Striped them both down to compare the internals and found;
Not much oil inside either of the guns to speak of, everything was greasy but no excess oil to drain out.
The rubber seals around the inlet valve are badly perished and on one, one is missing. Both have bayonet fitting and came with one pump for the pair.
The non working one had no piston apart from that everything looked the same pretty much.
On closer inspection on the shock absorber inside the head of one of the guns was in backwards and the metal was cracked causing it to disintegrate when I tried to remove it
Putting them back together I noticed that one of the trigger mechs was stiff and sticky and might need a strip and rebuild with new O-rings etc.
Having had a good look at the internals and put them Back together I tested the working one for leaks. Using only 8 or 10 pumps I submerged it in the bath and found that there was a slow leak from the holes in the head, 1 bubble every 3-5 seconds and I am assuming that this would get worse with more pressure?
From what I can find on DB and the web at large I have 2 options; new pistons for both or, make my own and get an O-ring and skirt kit.
The pros and cons as I see them are.
New;
Pros - should be perfect fit and would mean I have 2 working guns.
Cons - cost $30 each plus postage to the UK (cant find any in the UK or even Europe), the internal surface of the barrel might be damaged causing the leak thus waste of money (I’m a student)
Home made:
Pros - I’m at uni and can get free access to a lathe and tools to turn my own design in metal or plastic, if I can get a skirt it should fit and give me 2 working guns, it is also the cheep option.
Cons - it’ll take time, getting n O-ring and skirt kit, it might not work (I’m doing an engineering degree so I should be able to do it).
So if anyone can you give me an idea of how old the guns are? And maybe some help on where to go from here it would be appreciated.
diddavetellyou
_________________
have dry-bag will travel