History Constant Weight Record

[efattah]

This year, 2011, became a historic year. Now that the competitive season is over, the men's constant weight record (124m, Nitsch, 2010), remained unbroken. Only two other times in history has a men's constant weight record resisted being broken for an entire competitive season:


Men's Constant Weight Records (since formation of AIDA)

2011: no record
2010: 124m
2009: 114m, 120m, 122m, 123m
2008: 113m
2007: 112m
2006: 106m, 108m, 109m, 111m
2005: 105m
2004: 96m, 102m, 103m
2003: 93m, 95m
2002: 87m, 90m
2001: 82m, 86m
2000: no record
1999: 80m, 81m
1998: no record
1997: 73m, 75m
1996: 72m (equalled)
1995: 72m

As you can see, only three records have ever withstood a competitive season: 75m (Pelizzari), 81m (LeMaster), 124m (Nitsch).

In 2001 I predicted that the constant weight record progression would come to a near halt at 125m until the next breakthrough was discovered. We'll see what next year brings, or will Herbert's 124m be the first record to ever withstand two consecutive years without being broken? Any bets?

Interestingly in 2011, the deepest depth achieved by anyone was 117m by Guillaume. Coste managed 116m, Will managed a yellow card on 116m earlier in the year.

 

[DivingDane]

i Guess the question is... what is the next break through?

 

[Goran Colak]

Any predictions for other 5 disciplines?

 

[jome]

i Guess the question is... what is the next break through?

Will be interesting to see what Eric does with the DOLFin

 

[Simos]

Surely you can always add 1m more - we just need someone with longer arms

What was/is Herbert's limiting factor for CW?

 

[Kars]

Martin was on track, very close, until something happened to his middle ear.
So I guess we can see both venture towards the 130m. Which is amazing I think.
And the 101 CNF is super cool too! - I think that one will stand for a few years easily, unless William get's strange dreams of wanting to hit Jaques Mayol's 105 (NL) NO FINS for instance.

 

[efattah]

Martin was on track, very close, until something happened to his middle ear.

True, except Martin was still only going for 125m. Gone are the days when he or others would try to add 5m-7m to the record (like Carlos 102m, beating 95m, Herbert 120m beating 113-114m).

Plus there have also been 'almosts' in the past as well. Ravelo dove 76m, 'beating' Pelizzari's 75m, except he had a BO after surfacing, AIDA rejected it and CMAS accepted it. He 'almost' had it, very close... But no record.

 

[Bill]

A little off the subject......Has anyone heard from Martin?

 

[Kars]

And Eric, the year isn't over yet - Still two+ months to go, so pack up and go for Egypt and give the 125 a go

I'm interested in Martins plans too!

 

[nostres]

A little off the subject......Has anyone heard from Martin?

He will be at Honaunau in two weeks, You can ask him then what's next

 

[nostres]

Will be interesting to see what Eric does with the DOLFin

And I predicted that next break thru will not be related to equipment but to training/nutrition. DolFin Orca had it's chance at WC in Japan and didn't bring jaw dropping results. Currently world records including recent DYN are still being broken with classic hyper monofins. Don't see the reason to think it would be different in depth disciplines

 

[trux]

DolFin Orca had it's chance at WC in Japan and didn't bring jaw dropping results.

Personally I'd tell rather the exact contrary. It was nothing short of a jaw dropping shock for me when I heard Natalia decided to do her DYN swim with a fin she just tried for the first time for a few hours during the competition. And not only that, but that she in fact did the world's 2nd ever best perfomance with it, and additionally in a team champ (where the performances are always lower than in individual champs), was even more jaw dropping.

And the 150m DYN + 61m CWT for Ron Smith, a complete newbie to the competitive freediving were equally amazing to me too.

So I still believe there is a great potential in the fin.

 

[efattah]

While the DOL-Fin is certainly a breakthrough, there are other breakthroughs coming soon as well.

 

[nostres]

Natalia decided to do her DYN swim with a fin she just tried for the first time for a few hours during the competition. And not only that, but that she in fact did the world's 2nd ever best perfomance with it, and additionally in a team champ (where the performances are always lower than in individual champs), was even more jaw dropping.

And the 150m DYN + 61m CWT for Ron Smith, a complete newbie to the competitive freediving were equally amazing to me too.

So I still believe there is a great potential in the fin.

You just couldn't come up with worse example than Natalia in this case
With her experience and technique You can put Cousteau-style rubber fins on her feet and she'll still make Your jaw drop.
As for Ron that's great for him and I am not saying it's bad fin. Just not truly tested by freedivers yet.
Now another newbie example - Matt Malina as newbie went down to 100m CWT within his first year without DolFin so it's all relative. Especially at the moment. To fairly judge this fins potential we need to put it on Malina's, Natalia's and many others feet and compare what they can do with their Glides (or whatever they have) and with DolFin.

But right now how many athletes have tried it? They don't buy it because nobody is 100% sure that this is the one to have.

Now, do You really expect huge gain in CWT??? Even if this fin can take You to depth or back faster, so what? Time is not the issue here. Will it help You equalize?

 

[efattah]

But right now how many athletes have tried it? They don't buy it because nobody is 100% sure that this is the one to have.
Now, do You really expect huge gain in CWT??? Even if this fin can take You to depth or back faster, so what? Time is not the issue here. Will it help You equalize?

Back in 1998-2001, people said that no one would ever break any world record with a monofin, because bifins were CLEARLY better and a monofin took 'way too much energy.' Not to mention that all the world records were set with bifins.

It's funny to watch history repeat itself.

 

[Simos]

I am sensing that Eric has a new equalisation method in store ;-)

 

[trux]

With her experience and technique You can put Cousteau-style rubber fins on her feet and she'll still make Your jaw drop.

I do not think that a top competitor like Natalia would risk taking an inferrior fin for the finals of a team champ (risking so the loss not only for herself, but for the whole team) if she was not perfectly persuaded the fin is considerably better than what she had. Especially because the technique required for the fin is very much different than for any other monofin, and the turns require also quite a different technique. So I stand by my words, that it was jaw dropping.

Now another newbie example - Matt Malina as newbie went down to 100m CWT within his first year without DolFin so it's all relative.

Matt Malina is very far to be a newbie. He is a quite experienced freediver and competitor - he did tens of competitions since 2009, and did several stays in Dahab with intensive depth training. Nothing even remotely comparable to Ron, who never trained for competitive freediving or participated at any freediving competition until just a few weeks before the WC.

Now, do You really expect huge gain in CWT??? Even if this fin can take You to depth or back faster, so what? Time is not the issue here. Will it help You equalize?

You spoke about the fin, not about equalizing. I see no relation between the two, and just commented on the fin.

 

[nostres]

Back in 1998-2001, people said that no one would ever break any world record with a monofin, because bifins were CLEARLY better and a monofin took 'way too much energy.' Not to mention that all the world records were set with bifins.

It's funny to watch history repeat itself.

I never said "no one would break wr with a monofin"
Of course they will and they do.

 

[nostres]

You spoke about the fin, not about equalizing. I see no relation between the two, and just commented on the fin.

relation is huge because I was talking about CWT here, not pool. Even the best monofin won't help You if You can't equalize and that was my point. It clearly says "even if DolFin is faster"

BTW if some one is going to break wr, any record using DolFin that's great, let it be. Just brake it I don't care what fin was used.

 

[azapa]

I am sensing that Eric has a new equalisation method in store ;-)

hang on, I still haven't learned the old one yet!:waterwork:waterwork