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hi all
iam a beginner to the hobby
1-how long would it take a very fit mma fighter who is very dedicated to improving time , (20 years in semi prof. sport, never smoked,) from pathetic 1 min ( cant think why my virgin lungs let me down) dynamic underwater time to 5 min
2- does diet matter ( im 97% vegan )guess lowering acidic enviroment within body should help as much under water as with recovery in sport
3- trying to summarize what i've read = is routine as follows or i am missing something:
O2 and CO2 tables as oftenaspossible; yoga, NLP and everything to do with relaxing and affecting sub conscience ; holding breath as long as possible repeatedly throughout a day at work and in sw. pool ; stretching diaphragm and intercostals twice a day :
unfortunately cant afford overpriced course (400 for a weekend )
thanks
 
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Instead of getting caught up in times underwater. Concentrate on enjoying the scenery underwater and the fish and other creatures around you, you will naturally relax more and improve your times. The sport is about enjoyment and finding your own limits not times and comparing yourself to others.

It's probably not the answer you wanted but it will help

Good luck and dive safe

Matt
 
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I'm not sure I understand your question - you said "1 minute ... dynamic underwater"
Are you saying you can swim underwater for 1 minute - or are you just floating idle in the water holding your breath? Big difference there! An underwater swim without weights or fins for 1 minute is pretty darn good! Whereas a 1 minute static breath hold (no movement) should be much easier to do.
 


yeah. i can swim around looking for crabs for just under 1 min ( thats my beginner definition of DYNAMIC) although my static isn't much better- 1.30 min
my dad who is a bag of nicotine smoke and unhealthy diet used to do the same and stay under water for 3 and a halfish
so, im being naive probably, expect myself to do better than him
 
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thank you for the answer
you are competitive yourself -don't want to reveal your secrets
yes i am competitive and a bithttps://www.google.co.uk/movies?hl=...a=X&ei=shTyUbmrLOyp0AX0vIGIDA&ved=0CEIQwAMoEA chimpanzee- "king of a jungle" mentality
- being as good as i want to be makes me more relaxed and enjoy more
 

I am competitive in the sense I participate in spearfishing competition, however I learnt a lot from this site and various people. The only reason I come onto this site it to offer advice to help other people learn like I did. My breath hold is currently around 1:30 with 2:30 a Pb. I've got no secrets really and I'm probably not the best person to offer advice about long breath holds as I can't do them myself.

I know everyone wants to be the best they can be, but many people overlook the fundamentals about relaxation and the enjoyment and concentrate too much on the competitiveness. That's why I offered the advice I did.

Keep up the good work, and hopefully someone will be around to offer you more advice.
 
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Haven't got much time to write an answer, but just shortly: If you go head on with freediving, like you would in MMA, it will beat you up mentally, like you've never been beaten up before... This is a sport where you NEED somehow to be smart about it, to not burn out, if you are very competitive... That doesn't mean it shouldn't hurt, or must not be painful... But it's not like in other sports, where you can "run untill you throw up"... Do that in freediving, and youøll be interested in something else a year from now... "oftenaspossible" is not the way to go... (also not in other sports actually). Just a friendly advice: Slow down... Train smart... Dive safe...
 
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Freediving is a weird sport, the more force one applies, the more resistance one meets.

I guess you have a lot of muscles, which burn a lot of O2 especially when tense.
I also guess you are very buoyant, so build a fitting neck weight.

Just like Scoobaru said, go in the water with a different intention.
Your intention can be to feel and learn about your body and mind. It also can be to feel the water flow and swim a few relaxed strokes. You can try some 'frog flow' diving.

[ame=http://youtu.be/ZqZbF546JNo]Frog Flow - YouTube[/ame]
 
I think that if you're interested in getting into spearfishing, just spend time in the water and get to know your intended prey. You approach different species in different ways. Learn how to get close to the fish. That's what spearfishing is all about. As you progress, you'll get better at breath hold too.
Breath hold is great and helps. But I've shot more of my best fish on a quick breath up and a 40 second dive.
 
thank everyone for replies
i might have come across like a crazy " do it all in one go"type - but thats not the case
safety is paramount no doubt.
i was hoping for more advises of different nature such as these ones : -it helps to have few bananas or sachet of Dioralyte in the morning and in middle of a diving session to massively reduce a chance of a cramp, significantly increase muscle performance and lessen O2 consumption
-as a professional physio i also know few techniques to manipulate intercostals and diaphragm ( almost everyone has theirs restricted). it may increase breath hold time by 30 sec and takes just 10min

also IMHO - inhaling with my hands above my had or at least at the angle of more than 90 degrease to a torso will allow better rib cage expansion hence more o2 - less chance of SWB
 
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Ooohhhhhh, ok. Well then, eat a very light breakfast the day of diving. Maybe a little oatmeal. And DON'T EAT anything until you're done. Free diving on an empty stomach is best. No heart burn and no Oxygen burning trying to digest your food.
 
Hi,

Reading, it looks like you need some advice on everything. Well for me the breath up does a lot. I get question that you are asking a lot so I made a video on this topic in my YouTube channel. You will find it in my signature.

And also how do you prepare for the dives? For example when you stomach is full of food it's the worst thing for apnea training. Relaxation is the key to victory, no matter what type of dive you do.

Please be careful and never train alone in water.

Best regard freediver Youbuur
 
Hey guys,
Just to start answering you can train several execises to help you hold your breath longer on dynamic as well as in static.
First of all there are tables for CO2(get your body used to high levels of CO2) and O2(low leves of O2). http://freedivingexplained.blogspot.pt/2008/03/freediving-training-static-tables.html
This is essencially for dry static.
For dynamic you can do exercises like those, on dry. Like walk for 40 sec. rest 20 and then rest les and less. And when you inprove, walk longer, rest less etc... And another one u can do is, rest always 30sec. and walk more and more, and as you get better, you stablish the times higher.
For wet trainig you can do the same as the dry exercises, but ajust the, remember to have a safe budy here, because you can blackout.
Be good, hope it helped.
 
look into zazen meditation, before you dive a quick 10 mins will get you in a very calm state perfect for freediving.
 
OP, your past competitive mma endeavours do not help here. It is good to be in a good health generally, but don't expect to be an instant winner. I am involved in boxing and I can tell that it takes me a week to re-adjust to breath holding when I am on vacation. Frequent tables are sure way to burn out, and your times may actually decrease after initial progress. BTW your times are ok, do not sweat it, learn enjoying the sport instead, like Scoobaru already mentioned. I would just add that this sport is only enjoyable if you make it such. This is your choice - either take relaxed approach and live long or make it painful, be unhappy and put yourself in a great risk.
 
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