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How messed up can a country be??
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When I try to access Spearguns section of the forum I get this message:
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OK, I admit, it is not a country, but some German company's morality filter...but it is the same trend.
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Yes, I sometimes get one of those whenI visit a particular craft tool supplier - although I can click through it, knowing that my access will be recorded & reported. In that case I think they mistake harmless "gouges" (a chisel-like tool) for something far more gruesome. Overall it is a pretty poor, ineffective filter mechanism - but at least they are trying.
How fucking Swedish.
That totally depends of the law, right. This particular one is ancient and not related to fishing at all, more to the general gun laws in Sweden.
But it's a rediculous thought a speargun would be used in crime, and to make it more rediculous bows and even compuond bows are legal and you don't even need a license for them. Contradictory. Top that off with the short season (for most) and cold murky waters, the wholething gets even more pathetic.
For me this is a pain in the ass since I'dlike to store my gun between visits to countries where spearfishing is allowed, but that has turned out to be impossible so now I have to keep it in the country I visit the most and borrow gear if I go somewhere else.
I hate this over zealous bullshit. Instead of going after the serious problems we face, the government does it's best to mess up the life for law-abiding honest people.
I dont like the law my self and I also hunter and dont like a lot of the stupid gun laws.
But in your opinion its ok tog break laws like that because you dont like them and find them stupid?
It's not all black and white. I would not rob a bank, but I do break the traffic rules just about every day.
There are stupid laws and there are axiomatic laws. You have to balance the purpose of breaking the law against the consequense of the ditto. In this particular case, no I don't want to get booked for breaking the overly anal gun laws (which you know is a very serious crime in Sweden) for this, but if I knew I could get away with it I would not have any moral concerns at all.
There are stupid laws and there are axiomatic laws. You have to balance the purpose of breaking the law against the consequense of the ditto. In this particular case, no I don't want to get booked for breaking the overly anal gun laws (which you know is a very serious crime in Sweden) for this, but if I knew I could get away with it I would not have any moral concerns at all.
We do not advocate breaking the law. Jakelol is right, if you don't like the laws, work to change them. Now is as good a time as any to campaign for change, judging by recent votes around the world.
BTW Is gun ownership common in Sweden? The police on Wallander "pack heat".
Mind you, it seems like the police in England are often armed these days - didn't think I would ever see the need for that in my lifetime, sad
BTW Is gun ownership common in Sweden? The police on Wallander "pack heat".
Mind you, it seems like the police in England are often armed these days - didn't think I would ever see the need for that in my lifetime, sad
Re. Sweden being messed up. It may not be perfect - where is? - but I think Sweden has a lot going for it. The spearfishing restrictions may be a little parochial and unnecessary but it has a lot of interesting and admirable cultural history (as well as the more notorious Viking history of course!). Some of it under threat now (e.g. the moving of manufacturing of fine edge tools and blades and angling equipment abroad, the decline of SAAB & Volvo).
We do not advocate breaking the law. Jakelol is right, if you don't like the laws, work to change them. Now is as good a time as any to campaign for change, judging by recent votes around the world.
BTW Is gun ownership common in Sweden? The police on Wallander "pack heat".
I do not advocting breaking the law, BUT there are so many stupid laws, many of them beeing relics from last times.
Just look at this shit: https://www.google.se/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/strangest-most-ridiculous-laws-in-america-2015-3
There are plenty of dumb old laws still in effect in Europe too.
All cops in Sweden pack heat. Sweden has super rigorous gun laws and licensing procedurer but at the same time a very large amount of legal weapons, 2mil registered weapons on a 10mil population / 630K registered gun wonders. Even though the very large amounts of legal weapons they are very rare in a criminal context. The weapons used in crime are mainly smuggled dittos mainly from Balkan / Russia.
Good luck changing the laws.
1. This has about the lowest priority you could ever imagine. Frog crossings has probably higher prio.
2. As mentioned, the gun laws are rigorous. No prominent Swedish politician would want to touch that question, especially concidered the recent increased amount of gun related violence (even though this is 100% shit people, criminals killing each other (yay!) with illegal guns).
3. How many spearos are there in Sweden? And of those very few, how many are willing to go full retard to take on the unrelenting government and legal system in Sweden? I don't think anyone in their right mind would engage in that.
Well, Sweden has a better premiss than many other countries around the world, but that is something we have worked hard and with high morals for during the decades.... These last years we have been on a steep decline. Swedish companies are beeing sold out or moving out due to the messed up tax system and the constant socialist harrasment. Just today one of the largest banks decide to move their head office to Finland.
Other than that we have no demands or responsibilities put on all the people coming here which slowly but steadily drains the tax incomes, and if you critical about it you're a damn racist. Fucking rediculous. I welcome enyone to my country regardless of skin color, religion etc, as long as they do what I do. Work hard, pay their taxes, contribute in anyway they can and don't be a liability to the rest of us. That or gtfo. Fair and easy but not the way the socialist dickheads runt this joint.
Nuff of the politics, eh?
I expect many in the UK - and probably elsewhere in the EU/Commonwealth/USA - feel much the same way. That we are being taken advantage of perhaps?
I think the UK media has promoted a steady, consistently positive view of Scandinavia in general and Sweden in particular over the last 10 years or so. Perhaps as a model for how we could/should be. I think we'd have to reduce the population significantly, make some more lakes and introduce reindeer! Recently the Danish word/concept "Hygge" got a lot of coverage.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/s...cosiness-wealth-antidepressants-scandinavians
https://www.guardianbookshop.com/almost-nearly-perfect-people-252308.html
I'm not immune to it. I have inexplicably acquired a strange interest in and respect for Sweden, particularly sloyd carvers such as Jogge & Wille Sunqvist, Bengt Lidstrom, and tool makers such as Hans Karlsson (& sons), Bo Helgesson, Svante Djarve, Gransfors Bruks, Hultafors Bruks, Wettlings, Erick Frost/Mora, Husqvarna, Sanvik, Bahco, etc.
I think the UK media has promoted a steady, consistently positive view of Scandinavia in general and Sweden in particular over the last 10 years or so. Perhaps as a model for how we could/should be. I think we'd have to reduce the population significantly, make some more lakes and introduce reindeer!
Recently the Danish word/concept "Hygge" got a lot of coverage.https://www.theguardian.com/world/s...cosiness-wealth-antidepressants-scandinavians
https://www.guardianbookshop.com/almost-nearly-perfect-people-252308.html
I'm not immune to it. I have inexplicably acquired a strange interest in and respect for Sweden, particularly sloyd carvers such as Jogge & Wille Sunqvist, Bengt Lidstrom, and tool makers such as Hans Karlsson (& sons), Bo Helgesson, Svante Djarve, Gransfors Bruks, Hultafors Bruks, Wettlings, Erick Frost/Mora, Husqvarna, Sanvik, Bahco, etc.
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I'm not saying Sweden is a dump, but it is currently run in a negative way, a downward spiral which never seem to stop. Politicians steared by statistics and numbers rather than the voice of the people. But I guess in a world of the failing numbers of voters for the socialist asholes, I guess it is a awesome idea importing new voters (who do you think all useless social wellfare users will vote for?) when you don't have enough of your own people voting for you. Disgusting is a understatement!
I'm late to this 8-year-old thread but it sounds like it has expanded to discuss more than restrictions on spearfishing equipment. So I'm going to use that as an excuse for this comment. No country is perfect, but I've always thought it must be nice to live in a country where you didn't have to die if you couldn't afford medical care. I wish my country was like that.
I agree Bill. I love America but the lack of comprehensive healthcare really lets a lot of people down. It is not perfect but I am very glad of and immensely proud of the NHS - it really is the "jewel in the crown" of Britain. The politicians (UK & USA) make the NHS sound like a basket case to suit their own aims but its not - the NHS performs miracles every day.
I expect that is the sentiment driving the recent spate of unpredicted votes around the world. People fed up with the consensus politics that have evolved - often without voter approval and to the disadvantage/cost of many voters. Seems like the Nordic countries are, at least, run primarily for the benefit of all their citizens - at least that is the impression we're given.
Give us grace to accept with serenity
the things that cannot be changed,
Courage to change the things
which should be changed,
and the Wisdom to distinguish
the one from the other.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serenity_Prayer
the things that cannot be changed,
Courage to change the things
which should be changed,
and the Wisdom to distinguish
the one from the other.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serenity_Prayer
A little unfortunate for you Bill, but the US is one of the very few countries around the globe where that could happen to you. Most countries have free healthcare in one way or another, maybe not equally capable or advanced, but free.
But to the most important matter....we're not allowed to spearfish, or to keep a speargun!
But to the most important matter....we're not allowed to spearfish, or to keep a speargun!
I've been holding back for the same reason. So I'm now going to use your comment as an excuse for mine.
Two times my two cents worth. Firstly, I totally agree with SubSub. The notion of abiding by laws simply because it is the law is alien to me. That's what some people seemed to be implying they do. I make my own judgements based on my own principles/moral compass. The only reason I would abide by a law I didn't believe was just, would be if the probability of being caught was too high and the consequences too severe. If it wasn't and they werent, then I wouldn't think twice about breaking the law.
Secondly, regarding countries going to shit, I think we're all in the same boat. A recent trip to Italy made me realise that, and now a Swedish person confirms it again. Everybody in England seems to think we're the only nation being raped and pillaged by immigrants but it's a global problem that needs to be addressed immediately.
We are all now being far too nice for our own good. Over compensating. We've gone from being despicable one minute, with most prominent countries having a long history of colonialism, slavery, war mongering, genocide etc, to now bending over, touching our toes and allowing every downtrodden gypsy and religious extremist to fuck us in to oblivion.
Multiculturalism only works if every culture has something to offer. Political correctness and human rights have been spiralling out of control for decades and we now live in a time where most Slovakian Gypsies live in far bigger houses in England than I do.