How to combine stat tables and the pool training?

[ZEST]

I am in the pool every day. There I do 1 hour swimming, then 1 hour apnea exercises.
Back to home I do 1 table for 02 or CO2, 1 per day, not more.

My question is how to combine these:
1. Training in the pool Hypoxia. Then in home what table I have to choose: for 02 or for C02?
2. Training in the pool hypercapnia. Then in home what table I have to choose: for 02 or for C02?

Thank you for your help in advance !

 

[ZEST]

It seems I wrote something wrong, because nobody answer to my question. Ok please tell me what is wrong?

 

[trux]

Well, first of all I would probably avoid doing apnea after swimming - physical exercise will reduce your breath-hold capacity significantly. As for mixing hypoxic and hypercapnic exercises, basically there is no problem with it, and you can do it. There are different approaches - some freedivers prefer seasonal specific training. For example at the beginning with focus on cardio, then some weeks mainly hypercapnia, then hypoxia, then technique (the order may differ). Others mix different types of training within a single session, or have days or sessions specifically for one type of training. I do not know what is the best approach, but each of them has some advantages.

 

[miguel-van]

Ok I'm not answering your question here but... if you train every day for two hours in the pool and then back home again train some more with dry tables, I guess you will soon be overtraining.
Don't forget to rest and take time to relax and cool down from time to time! Fatigue can be very counterproductive.

 

[DivingDane]

With my limited experience i have found that doing a table first while in the pool (under supervision) and then doing the physical training has worked well.

i generally get to the pool 2-3 times a week and do the following:

Monday (Day 1): -Table constant recovery time increase apnea time
- 2x Dynamic warm up then a max
- laps for fitness and technique (with mono)

Wednesday (Day 2): - 3x warm up statics with constant recovery then a max
- Laps focusing on stream lining, turns, technique

Friday (Day 3): - combination table, decreasing recovery increasing apnea
- 50m Dynamics with constant recovery times till i get bored.

nt sure if this is ideal but its what i'm doing at the moment and i seem to be getting results.

if anybody else has an opinion or someting i can change or improve on i would really like to know as this is training is starting to get a bit standard..

DD

 

[ZEST]

Saturday and Sunday I rest. I do training only from Monday to Friday.
I don't feel overtrained. Sometime at night I have pain in head only.

DivingDane you do almost same what I do, but you start with apnea exercises. Next week I will try your way.

One more question guys. May be you know this exercise, 10 sec static then 50 m dynamic, then 20 sec static then 50m dynamic, ....etc.
It is strange for me I can do 60 sec static then 50 meters dynamics, but if I start with dynamic(no static before) I can't swim more than 50 meters. What is the reason, what you think, is this mental barrier?

 

[trux]

One more question guys. May be you know this exercise, 10 sec static then 50 m dynamic, then 20 sec static then 50m dynamic, ....etc.
It is strange for me I can do 60 sec static then 50 meters dynamics, but if I start with dynamic(no static before) I can't swim more than 50 meters. What is the reason, what you think, is this mental barrier?

The diving response kicks in well during the static, allowing you so swimming with much lower consumption. If your style is relatively fast and forceful, you burn all oxygen at the beginning when starting without statics. My approach is swimming extremely slow at the beginning, imagining that I am doing statics, relaxing perfectly, and waiting for the DR kicking in well. Then I accelerate slightly.

 

[ZEST]

Thank you Trux. My style is same with static or without static, but ever the max is 50 meters.

 

[trux]

My style is same with static or without static,.

Yes, that's likely the problem. Try starting your dynamic (without static) in a completely zen mode - extremely slow, maximally relaxed, only gentle short kicks and long glides, concentrate on maximal relaxation and happy feelings. Imagine that you are doing statics, while moving slightly and very slowly forward. Of course, for doing that you need to be properly weighted and neutrally buyant. Once you start feeling contractions or numb limbs, go into your habitual dynamic mode, but go on with trying to stay zen. Well, it does not work with everyone for increasing max performances, and may be more difficult with a monofin than with bifins, but getting over 50 or even over 75 meters is possible with such method relatively easily even for most beginners.

 

[ZEST]

Ok will try this, thank you.
How many contractions is normally I to pass while swimming? I stop swimming after 10 contractions maximum. If I do static in my bed I can struggle 20 contr., but in the pool max 10

 

[trux]

Personally, I never count my contractions. There are many. But they are not a good indicator for surfacing - they depend too much on different factors (breath up, previous exercise, diet, mood, individual differences, etc), so relying on specific count either leads to premature end of apnea, or to samba or blackout. I prefer observing my body and mind reactions for signs of hypoxia, than watching the contractions or surfacing because of discomfort.

 

[ZEST]

"There are many" you wrote. This is the question to be many or not . In the sea I will never risk diving with many contractions, but in the pool or bed I can afford some, but don't know how many is normal. I don't ask for the maximum, because I understand that this is depend.
Ok please tell me than the minimum I must have

 

[trux]

As I wrote, the contractions have absolutely no importance for setting the distance or duration of your apnea. If you hyperventilate you may not have any and black out anyway. If you ventilate carefully, you may have them very early in the apnea, but will be able to hold your breath longer and safer into deeper hypoxia (unless you get scared off by them or fight them and lose so too much oxygen). I am no good reference, but for example at a 5 minutes breath-hold, I get first contractions around 1:30, so it makes 3 and half minutes of contractions. Top freedivers get contractions often somewhere around 3-4 minutes into the breath-hold (but it may differ significantly from case to case), and keep with them until 8, 9, or 10 minutes. Dave Mullins who is capable of 250m in DYN, gets his first contractions around 50m (if I remember well what he told). That makes 200 meters with contractions. How many of them? I have no idea. And nobody cares. You should stop focusing on your contractions, and rather work on relaxation. Counting your contractions won't help you relaxing, on my mind. It will just make you more nervous. Relying on them as a safety measure is nonsense. You can blackout without any contraction at all, or just after a few of them.

 

[ZEST]

Thank you Trux ! You helped me a lot!
BTW thank you for the big and great database in your site, I am member there too