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how to help a blacked out diver?
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Hello.
I'm a recent freediver from Portugal and as far i've learned a few things about blackout or samba.
I'm a recent freediver from Portugal and as far i've learned a few things about blackout or samba.
First the freediver must use the weight concentrated in the back in case something happens, it is face-up and not drowning.
Once the freediver is on the surface, we must remove all equipment from his face, to free the airways.
Then we must blow air into his face which will make him came to life.
If nothing of this results we must go faster to land if we are at sea, always massaging the heart and breathing do mouth to mouth.:inloveThen we must blow air into his face which will make him came to life.
I hope I have helped, because many people have died because of blackout wile spearfishing.
Even a few weeks ago, in Pico island that is here beside Faial island, died a boy of 20 years old.
All for lack of information.
Compliments
Décio LealEven a few weeks ago, in Pico island that is here beside Faial island, died a boy of 20 years old.
All for lack of information.
Compliments
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the main point - and I think this is the reason why you have not had lots of replies - is this that this is really NOT the kind of thing you can learn on the internet - you need to do some training, ideally with a properly qualified instructor, AIDA or another, who will show you this, watch you do it and make sure you're doing it properly.
But... it's better to read something here than nothing at all - but far far better to take a course.
The procedure is (from AIDA 2 star):
• Get the freediver to the surface and keep them there
• Hold the freediver’s airways clear of the water
• Remove all facial equipment
• Blow on the freediver’s face to dry the area around the eyes, Tap on their shoulder blade, Talk to them and tell them to breathe using their name
• If the freediver does not start breathing within a few seconds, give up to 5 rescue breaths
• If no recovery remove the diver from the water,
• start CPR and call the emergency services
• Advise the freediver to end their freediving for the day
So from that you'll also see that you need to get some CPR training so you know how to do rescue breaths and full CPR properly, again not a thing you can learn by reading a forum...
But... it's better to read something here than nothing at all - but far far better to take a course.
The procedure is (from AIDA 2 star):
• Get the freediver to the surface and keep them there
• Hold the freediver’s airways clear of the water
• Remove all facial equipment
• Blow on the freediver’s face to dry the area around the eyes, Tap on their shoulder blade, Talk to them and tell them to breathe using their name
• If the freediver does not start breathing within a few seconds, give up to 5 rescue breaths
• If no recovery remove the diver from the water,
• start CPR and call the emergency services
• Advise the freediver to end their freediving for the day
So from that you'll also see that you need to get some CPR training so you know how to do rescue breaths and full CPR properly, again not a thing you can learn by reading a forum...
Had the same question a while back. Wrote a thread on it and posted a few videos. http://forums.deeperblue.com/safety/77471-samba-video.html
Two things that I have learned that are important to repeat here
1) bring victim to surface as soon as possible and support his/her lower jaw while he is underwater so as to keep his mouth closed and help prevent water from entering his mouth & lungs
2) once out of water lay him flat and you may have to gently blow on his cheeks to stimulate a breathing reflex in him
Once he is breathing, get him on oxygen asap. Hope no one here needs to every use this, but just in case we should learn as much as we can. Your bud is counting on you, and vice-versa.
1) bring victim to surface as soon as possible and support his/her lower jaw while he is underwater so as to keep his mouth closed and help prevent water from entering his mouth & lungs
2) once out of water lay him flat and you may have to gently blow on his cheeks to stimulate a breathing reflex in him
Once he is breathing, get him on oxygen asap. Hope no one here needs to every use this, but just in case we should learn as much as we can. Your bud is counting on you, and vice-versa.
Hello.
I'm a recent freediver from Portugal and as far i've learned a few things about blackout or samba.
First the freediver must use the weight concentrated in the back in case something happens, it is face-up and not drowning.
Once the freediver is on the surface, we must remove all equipment from his face, to free the airways.
Then we must blow air into his face which will make him came to life.
If nothing of this results we must go faster to land if we are at sea, always massaging the heart and breathing do mouth to mouth.:inlove
I hope I have helped, because many people have died because of blackout wile spearfishing.
Even a few weeks ago, in Pico island that is here beside Faial island, died a boy of 20 years old.
All for lack of information.
Compliments
Décio Leal
You don NOT always massage the heart.
If the heart is beating you should not do that and it is impossible to do heart massage when you swim. The wictim must be on firm ground to do correct heart massage. It is possible to do more damage to the wictim. There is courses in CPR they can teach you the correct way.
I want to affirm what Pucko has said - you do NOT just start CPR or do heart massage, UNLESS the heart has stopped beating!!!
Basic First aid and CPR techniques say you assess the ABC's - ie Airway, breathing and circulation, the same goes with black out.
I have medic'd many freediving competitions, and have a lot of experience with this - here is the 5 minute lesson below, and I encourage you to read the articles posted by Trux above.
Once the diver as been brought to the surface, you ensure the airways are clear and above water and remove their facial equipment, the very first thing you should do if they are not breathing is start TTB - Tap, Talk, Blow. Gently tap their cheeks, talk calmly to them " Joe, you are ok, breathe Joe' and blow across their face. There are receptors in the face which when stimulated by the tapping and blowing, will encourage the victim to breathe.
If the diver hasn't responded and doesn't start breathing on their own, you need to assess them further, you also need to send someone for help at this stage. If they are not breathing, and have no pulse, yes CPR is what you need to do, if they do have a pulse, consider rescue breathing, gentle breaths, not hard full CPR breaths that you are taught on CPR courses as that can also cause issues if they are having a laryngospasm.
There are many variations on black out, some are plain and simple, and the above works well, sometimes the diver will have other symptoms which you also need to address. You can only build confidence by practice and learning, I encourage you to practice rescuing a diver from depth, even if it is in a pool, regularly, and administering TTB, I do this with my dive partner every week, and it means when you have to jump into action, you feel comfortable and confident in doing so.
It is advisable to administer oxygen after they have regained conciousness even if they feel ok.
Basic First aid and CPR techniques say you assess the ABC's - ie Airway, breathing and circulation, the same goes with black out.
I have medic'd many freediving competitions, and have a lot of experience with this - here is the 5 minute lesson below, and I encourage you to read the articles posted by Trux above.
Once the diver as been brought to the surface, you ensure the airways are clear and above water and remove their facial equipment, the very first thing you should do if they are not breathing is start TTB - Tap, Talk, Blow. Gently tap their cheeks, talk calmly to them " Joe, you are ok, breathe Joe' and blow across their face. There are receptors in the face which when stimulated by the tapping and blowing, will encourage the victim to breathe.
If the diver hasn't responded and doesn't start breathing on their own, you need to assess them further, you also need to send someone for help at this stage. If they are not breathing, and have no pulse, yes CPR is what you need to do, if they do have a pulse, consider rescue breathing, gentle breaths, not hard full CPR breaths that you are taught on CPR courses as that can also cause issues if they are having a laryngospasm.
There are many variations on black out, some are plain and simple, and the above works well, sometimes the diver will have other symptoms which you also need to address. You can only build confidence by practice and learning, I encourage you to practice rescuing a diver from depth, even if it is in a pool, regularly, and administering TTB, I do this with my dive partner every week, and it means when you have to jump into action, you feel comfortable and confident in doing so.
It is advisable to administer oxygen after they have regained conciousness even if they feel ok.
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