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Hunting Pacific Sailfish

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Siam Spearo

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Hi,

I am in the process of buying the ideal gun for hunting sailfish in open water and off the outer Islands of Thailand. I am chartering a boat for 3 days just to get a big sailfish, so I was hoping that someone on here that has experiance spearing them might help me.

I am wondering what is the best way to get close to one. I have thought about sitting and waiting while the skipper casts a lure over me and retrieves it past me and I hope one follows it. The other option is to use flashers, but I understand that Sailfish are surface hunters so would flashers work well. Does chum work well for sailys?

Thanks in Advance for any help you may have......
 
Hi,

Saifish are a very curious pelagic, they are not that shy and sometimes can be a bit agressive.
They react very well to flashers and the aproach shouldnt be dificult if you take it nice and slow, dont run to the fish, instead just glide slowly to it or next to it.
Mostly you will find them in mid water or near the surface in 40 meter bottom areas around pinnacles and drop-offs and with a bit of luck you might even find a small school of them in the area, (in this cenario please be mindfull and shoot only one fish).
The shot itself is good almost everywhere above the belly zone for it has a strong skin and it will hold the spear well, but as usual the ideal will be on the head, or a kill shot above the gill plate, a bit beind the eye or at least one that allows you to control the fish during the fight and gives you some advantage on the recovery.

The ideal gun its a matter of taste...it can range from 130 to 160 depending on the area you are spearing, the usual visibility and of course of the species available to spear in that particular zone.
A 140 railgun, double 16mm bands, with a 7mm spear is a good compromise for what you want. Just add a 30 meter floatline with at least a 5 meter bungie on the end and a 11 liter foam filled float and it should do the job well.

Best regards,

Dias
 
Thanks Speggheti, that is a great link, what dream fish, man if I get something half that size I'm going to be pleased. The tuna gun looks like a beast, but its a higher price point than I'm looking at now. I'd not use it often enough to justify spending that much.

Diaz, thanks for that mate, that is awsome that answers most of my concerns..... I would only be taking one fish, it is a trophy fish to me, a dream and not one that I'd need to fulfill over and over again. The place I'm going is Rock Island in Thailand, it is a world famous spot for sailfish fishing. NO ONE has speared one in Thailand that I know of, even the anglers don't want to take spearo out on charters.

I'll be doing the drop off for 2 days, it is common to get BIG doggies, some scuba divers reported seeing 3m doggies last week, I didn't know they can get that big, Black marlin, yellow fins, mahi mahi are all common.
I'm actually getting a 1.7m railgun for the sailies but also just incase i see a marlin, I don't know that a 130-150 would do the job.

When you say flashers work well would you recommend sitting and waiting or have a mate baitcast over me with a lure or what..... any secrets you may have that could help..... don't really want to chum up as there are big (14ft) tigers out there, and I don't fancy an encounter anymore than the next guy.

Thanks Diaz
 
Hi,

Dog tooth tuna does get big, being 245cm the maximum length registered, for a weight or around 130 kilograms, still Doggies in the 80 kilo range and above are HUGE and underwater they are even bigger so its very easy to be mistaken on their size if you are not used to see and land big fish.

These monster fish have tremendous power and they usually go so fast in the first run that you have only one chance and that is to land a perfect holding or killing shot!!!

Normally two things happen:

If your shot hit the upper body from a distance and you have too much flotation (too many floats or too big floats) as soon as the fish finishes stretching the bungee he takes everything down so fast that it almost immediately rips the slip tip of he's flesh duo to the impact of the floats on the end of the line.

The second situation is to have too little flotation (not enough floats or too little floats), even if the shot is good the fish will take off to the reef walls like a rocket and simply smash himself against every coral or rock he can get a hold of, wrapping the shooting line all over the bottom and tearing it off.

Doggies normally “hang” with bad neighbors, and its not rare for sharks to tear out the fish completely, so a quick recovery, if possible is advisable.

My advice is to have good flotation for it will prevent the fish from hitting the bottom as soon as you get to the surface, but only to take the shot if it is at close range to take the spine or kill spot on the head or enough range to penetrate the gill plate or another good holding spot preventing the slip tip to be dragged out on impact of the buoys on a fast descend.

Unfortunately sometimes this fish do come bye and the gear we have in the moment simply as to do the trick…
For doggies as well as marlin I do recommend a slip-tip, its does improve your chances of landing these fish.(Rob Allen has an excellent one, the Slip-Tube, I have landed a 110 kg black marlin with it and I must say it performs very well)

As for the flasher you should have it with you on the water attached to a separate float.
Have your spearing buddy to work it as you are down and vice-versa.
Always keep it at a depth confortable to you, if its too deep there's a good chance you dont make it to the fish as well as not safe at all.

“Chumming” does work well on tuna, at least much better then flashers, but since you mention a healthy population of tiger sharks in the area, and if you don’t have much experience of spearing in “sharky” waters I really don’t recommend it.

A 140 gun, double 16mm bands, (a bit shortened to help driving the slip tip) with a 7,5mm spear, and slip tip will do the job just fine, being mobile and fast enough to cope with other smaller open water preys.
A 170 does give a good advantage in range if well rigged, but it has its limitations on manouvrebility and fast response. My biggest gun is 160, and i only use it while bluewater hunting and with excellent viz.

Best regards,

Dias
 
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Thanks Diaz,

Your email is very informative as always.

I always laugh when I read them because it is so clear that you do this kind of thing often do something like chumming in Tiger sharky waters that you would not recomend, I would say is mental.
I have a lot of respect for you doing this kind of thing and landing the sorts of fish you mentioned. My target is a sail fish, they get to 70kg here and supposedly there are lots of them, so i should get one.
The 3m doggies are at the drop off, I'll be there for 48 hours, it will be my first real blue water experiance, the first of many I hope. I'm really excited about it all, and a bit scared too if i'm honest with you. But thats what it all about.
I got a 1.7m and a 1.4m so depending on how comfortable i am in the water and what the vis is like I could use either. I have a slip tip, but I'll check your website and see what gear you have as well.

I have a 30m float line, 5m bungee and a 30 litre float, does this sound ok to you??

Thanks again for your help and advice, I do appreciate it.

Siam Spearo
 
Hello Siam ,
i answered in yr post about choice of guns and it seems i give you same advice than Diaz about gun sizing!!

i did not know `diaz` before reading those posts but i confirm to you that ALL what he perfectly explain to you is exact and correct!!
so congratulations Diaz you know yr stuff..!! and they are not so many spearos like this!!

very good advices ..same as we teach over here!!

hope to dive with you one day ..
rgds
Marco
 
Marco, I just replied to your post regarding gun choice, thanks.

I have just visited your website too, WOW WOW WEE WOW!! That looks great, as mentioned I am going to Burma in November, but i may be able to get to see you in December, for a quiet romantic holiday in polynesia. I'll explain to my partner that I may even be able to do some spearfishing, never know, someone might do it out there. I'll keep you posted. Is december a good time to visit? :inlove
 
Marco, please PM the prices in USD for the spearfishing trips, both billfish tours and spearfishing day trip. It looks ace.
 
Marco,

. Is december a good time to visit? :inlove

Siam..dec is one of the 4 bests month for spearfishing here but all year is good except july/august..

last saturday a 262 kgs marlin was hooked just in the fakarava pass ..
and 3 weeks ago a 500+ kgs marlin was hooked south from fakarava !!!
both were landed by local fishermen ..on small boats!!not pro fishermen!!

i wish we shot those instead from ``normal ``fishing..

dec is also one from the most expensive month to fly here..
stupid INTL air companyS increasing their prices for vacation times.!!!

we also having a reservation from one our main customer for dec/jan.
but we are waiting confirmation if his 50+ meters yacht will be ready after dry dock??
if yes we will be cruising on board for this period ..in some secret spots little bit far away from fakarava but still in french polynesia..

if not we ll be available from dec 2nd (we are booked from nov 14th to dec 1st for one customer)...

we can stay in touch through e-mail..mines are in my web site..
you can also check this photos album..!!http://picasaweb.google.com/tuamotu.spearfishing/SpearfishingFrenchPolynesia

about prices ......are in my web too..in our xpf currency ...attached to euro..

to x-change rate best is to check :
http://www.coinmill.com

you ll find change xpf to yr own money too..what is yr local currency?

rgds marco
 
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Hi Marco,
Thanks for the feedback. It sounds fantastic, I am considering Vanuatu as ewll but you sound like the right guy to go spearing with. VU has no pro spearers that i know of, but extreme do tours from AUS that look great.

Perhaps if i come visit in feb-mrch it will be better, and cheaper too.....

the local currency here is THAI BAHT (THB) but i work is USD, its about 32 - 1 at the moment.

What month would you recommend, i don't like it busy or pricey

Talk soon
 
Hi Marco,
nt.

What month would you recommend, i don't like it busy or pricey

Talk soon

feb is good..
but French Polynesia is -unfortunately- always a `pricey`destination..
by example a normal lodge price here cost 4000 THB per day
hotel is 12000 THB--minimum.!!!

our services are -including boat-22400 THB per dayf or fakarava spearfishing
for marlin purposes :40800 THB..per day.

for away from fakarava it is 22400 + fuel surcharge spend to go to other atolls around..

AND we are really cheap for here.!!and for the services we are delivering ..

by example a 3 hours tour from fakarava lodges to 30 minutes boat away is charged at 2858 thb..!!!just to visit beach around but need to be 6 persons together ..so if alone it cost 6 X 2858..!!!for 3 hours .!!

renting a `normal` boat for fishing is at 4900 thb per hour and it is already 1 hour to cruise to the pass and come back!!!

and this is for fakarava !! in BORA it is LOT more expensive!!
very stupid!!!too expensives..

rgds marco
 
Oy my god that is pricey!!!!!

That is more than I thought it would be, that is more than england or the USA, i know its a lot nicer too, but that is silly money. You can charter a boat here for 25k per day and get them to go anywhere from island hoping to the drop off.

44k for a 2 day one night trip is ok as long as there are lots of BIG fish to shoot, maybe we could sell the catch to the big hotels and make some money back. I do that in Thailand sometimes, needs to be super fresh though...
It looks like a great place to visit though.
 

they are many but you never know if you can catch marlin the day you want to catch here...some days they are cruising away or deep..
dogtooth/mahi/ are always around...but marlin is different
 
Always interested to read about spearing big fish. Sailfish are magnificant - but I am happy to just look at them, no desire to spear or eat them.
 
Always interested to read about spearing big fish. Sailfish are magnificant - but I am happy to just look at them, no desire to spear or eat them.
i agree on marvelous lookin` fish but are so good to eat!!:thankyou
 
It is quite true...saily's are one of the most beautiful pelagic fish...those who have seen them flashing the "sail" up and down i'm most sure they will never forget that image...

Beside being good eating, they are also a fascinating bluewater hunting pray, and sometimes a good demanding challenge, with plenty of action and emotion, (i had one charging over me once!!!),

I think the way each one deals with it will make the difference:

I only shoot one saily a year and only if it looks bigger then the one caugth the year before...if not, no saily that year.
In this way i keep some sort of sustainability rules in the way i interact as a top predator in the food chain as well as a personal record and motivation to try bigger fish.

Siam, is always a pleasure to help, any further info you need please feel free to ask.

Marc, thanks for your complements, and i'm glad we both think the same way.

Best regards to you all,

Dias
 
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cheers D'man,

Its weird because some people say that sailys don't fight good and others have stories of being charged by them, I'd much prefer your experiance and having to really fight the fish to land it. I just can't imagine such an amazing predator rolling over and dieing with out a fight, unless its a kill shot. I guess the only way I'll know is when I get one myself.
Thanks to everyone who has given such solid advice, Diaz and Marco especially.... You guys will be the first to see my photo when I get one, next question is recipes.... I'll post it in the right forum, any ideas?
 
Hi everybody, I am really crazy about bluewaterhunting. It's really
interesting to read posts of such pros as Marco and NunoDiaz!

Marco, my friends and myself got extremely interested in the services you render and we would love to go on a spearfishing tour with you. When will it be possible to arrange or you are pretty booked in the upcoming months?

We are from Moscow, Russia and would love to go for marlin, caranx, sailfish and possibly tuna (any). Could you please specify when you are available and what would be the price for 1 week spearfishing. there will be 3 of us or maybe 2. We could easily join the group of spearos if possible this option will be even more preferable coz it'll let split expenses.
I would really appreciate if you let us know about the details.

thanx in advance!
 
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