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I think im going to become a vegetarian
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In Italy too slaughtering regulations are very strict et cetera.
But in any case: rather than becoming vegetarian, best thing is to be a spearfhisher, so you can pick your proteins with your own hands, by fair and selective means, directly from nature.
But in any case: rather than becoming vegetarian, best thing is to be a spearfhisher, so you can pick your proteins with your own hands, by fair and selective means, directly from nature.
There is a lot wrong with our food lately;
Iradiation,
Feeding cows (vegans) animal parts, blood, carcasus, waste oil, etc. etc. (Mad-cow anyone?)
Antibiotics,
Growthhormones,
Cloning,
Little light, no fresh grass, no place to move, standing in their own dump.
Chickens being too heavy to support their own weight, due to selective breeding.
Stressed out ill animals.
Feeding plant's poison, spraying poison, poisend drinking water, fluoridated water (even bottled spring water), medicine chemicals saturated groundwater. (early puberty, docile people)
Vaccenes with numerous heavy poisens, (Dementia etc.)
Genetical modification, killergenes, combining genes of multiple animals and plants into crops, creating hybrids.
Al this is done without asking us what we think about it, let allone considering the implications for our offsprings future.
But hey do you want to know? Do you want to inform yourselve, make an informed decision, take responsibility, become a social paria because you are finding out big farma, oil and many other blanches have been misleading, lying and still are today? Do you care enough for your fellow man to bring him 'the bad news' and at least offer him the oppertunity to choose the right thing?
Economically choosing what's right sure is costly in the short term, but a bargin when I ask you how much is your future worth, your kids' future?
I was happy to find out the local biological farm equal or cheaper in price than the local super market, where everything has artificial, chemical stuff in it. Everything aromised, even basic things like bread are made with a list of unnesesairy stuff soy beans - are they GM?
And they say it is done all in the name of progress, for love for money, for the fear of loosing a well paid job. I suspect even for reasons worse, because of the very clear negative effects on our health, even clear to the many compartementalised scientist. Well explained warnings are there for years and still it the degradation goes on, even accelerates.
Once a gene is put into nature there is no way back...
ps. I have seen enough of these video's and I cannot watch them, feeling sick and verry sad filled with rage to the darwinistic sociopaths, who like to think of themselves as herders of a flock of sheeple. Elitist who when they need mental peace seek refuge in rationalising population control in a Platonian fashion. I experience great empathy for to those who suffer, animal AND mankind, and it really hurts in here, that's why I need to limit exposiure to this great injustice.
Indeed speerfishing is a much more responsible way of finding some animal food. Though I think that a diverse vegan diet can provide everything our bodies need, and it's the natural way when posible.
Yes I used to be the kid at home who always asked for the biggest piece of meet.
Ciao,
Kars
Iradiation,
Feeding cows (vegans) animal parts, blood, carcasus, waste oil, etc. etc. (Mad-cow anyone?)
Antibiotics,
Growthhormones,
Cloning,
Little light, no fresh grass, no place to move, standing in their own dump.
Chickens being too heavy to support their own weight, due to selective breeding.
Stressed out ill animals.
Feeding plant's poison, spraying poison, poisend drinking water, fluoridated water (even bottled spring water), medicine chemicals saturated groundwater. (early puberty, docile people)
Vaccenes with numerous heavy poisens, (Dementia etc.)
Genetical modification, killergenes, combining genes of multiple animals and plants into crops, creating hybrids.
Al this is done without asking us what we think about it, let allone considering the implications for our offsprings future.
But hey do you want to know? Do you want to inform yourselve, make an informed decision, take responsibility, become a social paria because you are finding out big farma, oil and many other blanches have been misleading, lying and still are today? Do you care enough for your fellow man to bring him 'the bad news' and at least offer him the oppertunity to choose the right thing?
Economically choosing what's right sure is costly in the short term, but a bargin when I ask you how much is your future worth, your kids' future?
I was happy to find out the local biological farm equal or cheaper in price than the local super market, where everything has artificial, chemical stuff in it. Everything aromised, even basic things like bread are made with a list of unnesesairy stuff soy beans - are they GM?
And they say it is done all in the name of progress, for love for money, for the fear of loosing a well paid job. I suspect even for reasons worse, because of the very clear negative effects on our health, even clear to the many compartementalised scientist. Well explained warnings are there for years and still it the degradation goes on, even accelerates.
Once a gene is put into nature there is no way back...
ps. I have seen enough of these video's and I cannot watch them, feeling sick and verry sad filled with rage to the darwinistic sociopaths, who like to think of themselves as herders of a flock of sheeple. Elitist who when they need mental peace seek refuge in rationalising population control in a Platonian fashion. I experience great empathy for to those who suffer, animal AND mankind, and it really hurts in here, that's why I need to limit exposiure to this great injustice.
Indeed speerfishing is a much more responsible way of finding some animal food. Though I think that a diverse vegan diet can provide everything our bodies need, and it's the natural way when posible.
Yes I used to be the kid at home who always asked for the biggest piece of meet.
Ciao,
Kars
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oh i couldnt :yack
stopped after seeing the chickens on the rack :yack and i have just had boiled eggs for breakfast
oh i couldnt :yack
stopped after seeing the chickens on the rack :yack and i have just had boiled eggs for breakfast
It gets much worse , Poor little piggys and moo cowsI don't like the way PETA are trying to convert everyone to being vegan. I used to be a vegetarian, mostly because of propaganda like that, but it wasn't a healthy diet for me so I stopped.
I try not to eat any intensively farmed meat, eggs or dairy products, unless there is no choice. I think intensive farming is based on cruelty to animals and damaging the environment to produce unhealthy cheap food.
Because I am studying ornamental fish management, I have been finding out about fish farming, and unfortunately farmed fish are fed all the same rubbish as other farmed animals. For some reason ornamental fish are fed better than fish for our consumption.
I try not to eat any intensively farmed meat, eggs or dairy products, unless there is no choice. I think intensive farming is based on cruelty to animals and damaging the environment to produce unhealthy cheap food.
Because I am studying ornamental fish management, I have been finding out about fish farming, and unfortunately farmed fish are fed all the same rubbish as other farmed animals. For some reason ornamental fish are fed better than fish for our consumption.
When you say cheap food you get straight to the point. Talking for Europe, intensive breedings work that way just because otherwise the costs would boost and their product would be out of the market. Then yes, here you can still buy good meat from animals grown up in a fair system, with genuine food in a healthy environment. But that meat is darn expensive: the average working class consumers can't afford it, surely not every day. My impression is that genuine products, food and non food, are quickly running out of range for normal people, especially for the urban people, forced to buy B side products which will finally Fook up their own health, the environment and the labour conditions. My impression is that humans are being cruelly farmed, not only the animals.
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Of course these are extreme examples. In Spain we have a lot of open range animals, especially the famous Spanish "Jamon Iberico" - open range pigs fed with acorns and other natural foods. If I ate meat this would be the type I would go for but I don't (even though I do respect other's desires to do so) and the only animal life I eat apart from eggs is fish. So I'm a piscitarian
I agree that most people simply can't afford, or can't get hold of good quality food and other products. The main problem is overpopulation. Good food can't be mass produced. As long as we are trying to "feed a growing population", we will be eating cheaper and cheaper rubbish.
Peta is an extraordinarily violent organization. Energetically they have become what they despise. It is unfortunate that what good points they do raise lose valence because organizationally they are psychotic. Anyone supporting Peta is supporting a form of violence and some very sick and delusionally abusive material aimed at children. We need people to advocate for the compassionate treatment of all creatures but Peta no longer serves that purpose.
A vegetarian diet is definitely not suitable for everyone. It can be very difficult to responsibly engage and, most often, people who do a vegan diet for ideological reasonscause suffering for themselves and, most importantly - their children. There are good reasons for doing it - if you wish to and can - but ideology, in my opinion, is almost allways violence.
A vegetarian diet is definitely not suitable for everyone. It can be very difficult to responsibly engage and, most often, people who do a vegan diet for ideological reasonscause suffering for themselves and, most importantly - their children. There are good reasons for doing it - if you wish to and can - but ideology, in my opinion, is almost allways violence.
Another interesting aspect to this is, that in the US at least, there are states (like Colorado and Ohio to name a couple) where the elk and deer populations respectively are higher now than they were at the turn of the centry (OK OK OK... the 1900 century) but, since humans have effectively eliminated most of their predators and are not picking up the slack, they have become a "nuisance" because they eat the food that is set out for the mass-produced animals... For the last 3 years that I lived in Colorado after leaving the Navy, the only meat I ate was from something that either I or my parents had shot ourselves on our yearly deer/elk hunts. In Europe (at least in Germany) deer ("Reh") and elk ("Hirsch") are commercially raised for food. I can go to the supermarket and pick up a package of frozen deer or elk stew meat (to me that is STILL odd) but it tastes just like cow to me. It doesn't have the same taste as their wild cousins. Probably has to do with being fed decently instead of eating whatever they could find.
Regardless, there are simply too many things that we, as the "top" of the food chain (at least in our minds) eat that are loaded with too many multi-syllable words that start with poly- or mono- or di- or hexa- or something like that. Is it really therefore an overwhelming surprise that the rates of various diseases are going up?
Of course, starving doesn't have a lot going for it either......
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Overpopulation? In Europe? Uh-uh! Europe is dying from low birth-rates so you can't blame that for the problem. Bad farm management comes from a combination of bad decisions that, in the US, began during the Depression where the New Deal government was seriously afraid of a Socialist Revolution. They figured out that the population would put up with lots of suffering until things straightened out so long as there was enough food. To this day US farm policy is based on the principal that whatever else food might be here, it has to be cheap. What is needed is a policy that says that cheap is o.k., but what really counts is food has to be good! Up Slow Food!